What is going to happen to all the litters of xl bully puppies?

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So now that XL Bullys are going to be banned by the end of the year (fully in support of that) what is going to happen to all the puppies?

Currently on gumtree for my city alone there are about a dozen adverts for litters of this "breed" so across the country it must be hundreds.

I can see that the prices have already been massively reduced but who is going to buy one now knowing that it will have to be on lead, muzzled etc

What will these breeders do with all the unwanted puppies.

It occurred to me that if they release them into the wild then we could have packs of wild dangerous dogs roaming around...

They will if they can't sell the puppies.

So they'll move on to breeding something else - probably whatever the next demon dog is

(Though I note a poster a little earlier saying her DMum has a youngish American pitbull terrier, a breed banned in 1991, so they must still be produced/imported despite banning and there are still people willing to own despite the ban)

Pitbulls are already illegal in this country so good luck with that one

I feel sorry for the dogs. It's not the dogs fault, it's the owners most of the time.
Humans bred them to line their own pockets without the slightest consideration for any repercussions.

The ‘Nanny Dog’ myth was created by Colby, a breeder of fighting dogs trying to broaden his market by selling to families. Colby took many of the pictures that are used by pitbull advocates in the US to try to claim these dogs are safe around children (bite statistics indicate otherwise). Colby’s nephew was killed by one of his dogs, sadly underlining how bull breeds bred to fight have instincts that do not align with being safe family pets. Archival research shows the only references to bull breeds was for fighting and occasionally killing children. https://blog.dogsbite.org/2010/05/1909-fatality-john-p-colbys-fighting.html

No dogs can take on a nanny role. It is a myth. The only dog types that came close were rough collies and spitz companions for older farm kids, depicted by Lassie (who was a gentle herding dog).

Let’s face it, the majority of bully owners come from a background where drink and drugs and gangs are involved. It’s a status dog. Banning the breed will just put the breeders underground and the bully will then resurface as the next dangerous dog. It was the Dobermann and Rottie in the 80s/90s and it’s moved forward with something different over the decades.

When the ban comes in, people will still own the dog. I can’t see a blanket put to sleep order. It will be on a lead and muzzled when outdoors.

A dog owner who 100% trusts their dog will never bite is a terrible owner.

A dog is an animal, even an impeccably bred (which an XL bully will never be, there are no responsible breeders) and well trained one could bite for a myriad of reasons (pain, surprise, illness).

A childhood friend was scarred for life when her gentle dog snapped at her face in the night while they slept together. She had just rolled onto one of his paws that happened to be sore as he slept. She needed 12 stitches, luckily he was a medium sized dog with a not very powerful jaw.

How many stitches would your daughter need?

I think your post displays exactly the kind of well meaning but very poor judgement that a lot of this particular breeds dog owners have. I’m afraid a masters degree isn’t protection against naivety and wishful thinking.

@BethanyL

Have you watched the two videos of the attacks in the West Midlands in the last few weeks?

In both videos the dogs are puppies and not full grown XLs. And it takes five full grown adults to get the dog off the kid. That is why they are being banned. They are so powerful that once an attack has started then it is almost impossible to stop until the dog is finished.

That full grown man couldn’t fight them off. A Jack Russell might have the same reaction but I could pick it up (and have done before) and get a few bites and pull it off the kid.

But the guys in Birmingham who helped that girl have savage injuries. Had there not been so many of them it is likely that the dog would not have stopped.

Whether or not your dog has a good temperament is beside the point. All it takes is one bad moment. A minute is all it too for them to kill that guy. This is why they are being banned. They are a weapon. If you choose to keep a weapon in your house then it need to be registered and monitored- just like a gun.

I actually cannot believe you let your daughter’s friend play with that dog after what happed to Jack Lis.

Since when is asking a question frothing?

To be fair to @BethanyL her dog doesn't look anything like an XL bully.

Banning the breed will just put the breeders underground and the bully will then resurface as the next dangerous dog.

I'm sure that's true. But if the ban saves just one person from being mauled and killed by the current set of XL bullies, then I'd say it's been worth it.

There's nearly always a way round laws but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try. People still carry knives illegally but carrying a dangerous weapon should still be against the law. They're now trying to step up the laws on zombie knives as the weapons of choice. If it makes it harder for people or animals to cause a fatal injury, surely it's a good thing.

Unless we tackle this, breeders will have moved onto their next breed by this time next year. They probably already have one earmarked already

Agree with this. XLs are nowhere near the biggest or baddest of the options. There are two dozen or more breeds I'd less like to find myself on the wrong end of.

Kangals, bully kuttas, Caucasian shepherds, Tibetan mastiffs...

I dread to think what's next.

I actually think a breed ban will make it more obvious who is up to no good. Anyone not complying with the ban is probably the kind of person up to lots of other shady things.

Very easy to conceal your drug stash or your gun. Not so easy to hide a 200lb XL Bully that you walk unmuzzled.

If I were the police I’d use it as an excuse to spot check XL owners and see what I could find. Anyone criminal with half a brain should be getting rid of their dog!

God knows what dog/mix/breed you actually get when you buy dogs off these breeders.

Of all the dog breeds in the world, what was it about an XL bully? I can understand the appeal for tough guys. It's not a family dog though, and these bullies aren't very aesthetically pleasing, to put it one way.

It might be more workable in practical terms if the law looks at it in another way. Rather than specifying breeds which are hard to define and people will always argue that their dog is not whatever is banned, they come up with some definition based on size. Any dog over x months old and over a certain size in height or weight must be kept on a lead at all times on a public place, muzzled, chipped etc etc. And larger dogs found out and about without muzzle or chip are immediately taken and destroyed. Personally, I would be in favour of a law which said that ALL dogs had to be on a lead in towns/cities at all times, unless in one of those fenced off dog fields.

As others have said, if you're being attacked by a chihuahua or jack russell you could pick it up and throw it. You have no chance with one of these massive animals.

I have seen some DNA test results posted by owners of these dogs.

They tended to follow a similar pattern.

Very roughly:

50/60% American pitbull.

20/30% American bulldog

Then various percentages of Doberman, Rottweiler, Rhodesian ridgeback, cane corso, presa canario and once some Dalmatian.

@BethanyL Bull breeds have a fighting heritage, with the instinct to do this and capabilities. It is the breed - labradors are not used as sheep dogs, whereas border collies are brilliant herders. Drug gangs are using bull breeds because of their instincts and capabilities. Too many children have been injured by the myth that fighting dogs are also 'nanny dogs'.

“Kangals, bully kuttas, Caucasian shepherds, Tibetan mastiffs... “

Yes exactly. Kangals have killed grown men. There are rescue centres and they’ll often say no children or visiting children, adult only, often sole adult home. Rare to see one in rescue. Same with shepherds. They’re all powerful, watchful, protection breeds. I imagine breeders are already looking at what money they can make, what lies can be told.

So @FoodCentre my point of getting all excited about xl bully dogs / puppies being killed and how they’ll be killed and when is that it won’t last.
There’ll be something else along very soon that we create and it’ll likely be something FAR more terrifying.
That’s what everyone should be asking. When will breeders be held accountable, when will humans be held responsible for their dog’s actions? It will never end.

Ps: I’ve never known a word draw so much attention to be honest!

Just read the investigation into the death of that dog walker months and months ago has concluded. It was her own dog which killed her, she had rescued an “xl bully” the month before. It had already bitten her a few times, but she was still walking it off lead, unmuzzled and in a pack! The vet who has examined the dog has concluded it’s actually an American pitbull. Which I guess is another issue…..a lot of these “bully” dogs may actually be an already banned breed.

A ban is just a Rishi soundings. The Chief Vet is on R4 soon talking about why it's not feasible without establishing what is being banned.

Soundbite not soundings

Can you post that link please? Wonder what happened to the other dogs the police seized…

And one time, this dog just started licking me and banging it's tail around.
What did it mean 😢
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Another breed will take their place, the DDA has never been fit for purpose. Until they issue hefty prison sentences to the owners of dogs who have attacked instead of suspended sentences etc, there is no deterrent.
I have already seen kuttas and caucasian shepherds in rescue, DEFRA need to stop dogs being imported for at least 2 years, let's get our dog population manageable before allowing more cropped/docked/ huge breeds into the U.K.

Gumtree is full of people trying to offload them. The adults are always described as 'excitable'. They very easily switch from excited to full on attack. This woman is worried about the safety of her new baby, despite the thing being allegedly good with kids. You'd have to be insane to buy one of these from gumtree (or at all)