What is going to happen to all the litters of xl bully puppies?

[Wanttobeok]

So now that XL Bullys are going to be banned by the end of the year (fully in support of that) what is going to happen to all the puppies?

Currently on gumtree for my city alone there are about a dozen adverts for litters of this "breed" so across the country it must be hundreds.

I can see that the prices have already been massively reduced but who is going to buy one now knowing that it will have to be on lead, muzzled etc

What will these breeders do with all the unwanted puppies.

It occurred to me that if they release them into the wild then we could have packs of wild dangerous dogs roaming around...

https://www.k9web.com/breeds/exotic-bully/

OK , I know this isn't an XL , it's an Exotic Bully

But I cannot even begin to fathom why someone thought it would be a good idea to produce this creature ?

Some of the heftier ones look more like a hippo than a dog .
What chance would an average person have against them?

These ones look like long legged staffies, similar to American pit bulls.

Not necessarily. Some of them genuinely aren't.
I'd argue the "proper ones" are but if you look at some being sold on pets 4 homes they aren't. Lots sold as xl bullies are wildly different sizes, let alone as pocket bullies

Let alone how grumpy the poor thing is likely to be, from the pain of being so deformed.😡

Sorry - I should have been clearer that I meant proper Staffies.

Not Staff type cross breeds, which I agree can be much larger . Pocket bullies are a rather different build to staffies - much wider and with hugely greater muscle mass.

I just looked at Pocket Bullies , they are even worse ! Smaller in height , so appeal to someone who doesn't want the leggy tall dog . But their legs and shoulder joints seem to be at a 90 degree angle .
The wear and tear on the joints , plus the flat faces .
I do feel sorry for them really , but I am equally repulsed by them

Since they are cross breeds a strength test would be better to determine if it the breed should be muzzled etc in public.
Dog too strong for its owner then on lead and muzzled at all times in public.
Only way to police this though would be licensing

The current DDA is outdated and unfair and ineffective, should always be deed not breed.

I think it should just be made harder for the general public to own ANY type or breed of dog, make it as hard, expensive and inconvenient as possible and those who are actually fully responsible owners and working dogs will be the only ones left

This sounds sensible .

Tbh I'd rather they put down the criminals who breed and own these dogs . Always avoid the real issue of having to deal with the scum who peddle this awful trade

Do we need a Dog Liscene though ? As micro chipping is compulsary (April 2016 for dogs over 8 weeks ) what information would be on the liscene that you couldn't put on the chip?

If the DL was annual this could be scanned when the dog has their vaccines . And if they don't vaccinate it would flag up

The old DL was some paltry sum of 37.5p (which when it was introduced in 1867 at 7s6d was a tidy sum )
What price would it have to be now to make it worthwhile in the Administation costs , high enough to make people think twice and enough to pay for Dog Wardens and extra Police to monitor these dogs ?
Sliding scale of charges depending on type of dog?

Ladybird69

I was at my local fish and chip van last night and a group of teenagers were in front of me in the queue. They had two puppies with them and they said one was a staffy and the other was an xl bully. Both were beautiful dogs but as soon as I started making a fuss of them the lads started showing off, saying yeah he’s an xl bully and he’s worth 25 grand! Then he started pulling him around by the lead and when he’d been served the dog started jumping up to the food and the lad kicked him out of the way. Those children shouldn’t have any animals especially ones that are deemed dangerous.

You should have put the full stop after ‘shouldn’t have any animals’. It’s owners like that that turn dogs into angry attackers. What a shit life. Poor dogs

My friend bought one a year ago for breeding purposes.

They’ll continue to be sold under the radar to chavs and dealers, to use as weapons of intimidation. These people will not care about a ban but a ban will limit the amount of these monstrosities walking the streets so I am all for it.

I had to squeeze past an xl bully on a path today. Owner did see I looked a bit nervous, because when I say squeeze past I mean my leg was brushing the dog. The owner reassured me and said he was “safe” so I made a fuss of the dog before squeezing past him and he was lovely. Really enjoyed having a fuss. But I can see how powerful his jaws were and that if he hadn’t been so well tempered he would be really scary. But shame for him that he’ll have to be muzzled soon. But yeah, I do wonder why anyone wants a dog with that possibility of attacking and not been able to stop him.

It's a really good question. Perhaps they'll cull them as no one will want them, and the breeders are out to earn money. It's all really horrible and makes me feel sad. It's not the fault of the dogs, they've been bred like this.

According to Wales Online once the breed is banned they can be seized even if they haven’t done anything. If the dog is found to not be a risk then an exemption certificate may be issued allowing the dog to be returned to the owner but under strict conditions (I’m guessing muzzle and lead).

so it sounds like if any dog is seized and assessed and thought to be a risk it will be pts.

Does anyone remember the harrowing story of Lennox from years ago who was typed as a pitbull? One assessor said he was a lovely dog and showed no signs of aggression whatsoever but her professional assessment was disregarded when a NQ dog behaviorist - engaged by the council (?) iirc - spent hardly any time with Lennox and deemed his anxiety to be aggression.

Lennox had also sustained injuries in the months he was awaiting assessment that could have caused him to be anxious.

That always pops into my head whenever the bsl topic comes up 😔

Dog gestation is about 60 days, and then it's another 8 weeks before they can go to their new homes, so about 4 months from mating to selling.

It's illegal to sell, or give away, a banned breed. Rescue centres can't take them in because they can't rehome them.

If the government sticks to their own schedule of banning them by the end of the year - 3.5 months away - then even assuming everyone immediately stops mating XL Bullies there will be a few litters currently in early gestation which will be tricky.

Honestly at this stage my advice to anyone with an early-mid stage pregnant XL Bully would be to get her spayed immediately. It will end the pregnancy, avoid the headache of trying to sell banned pups by a deadline, and comply with the requirements if you're going to be getting the dog on the Index of Exempt Dogs.

They should do what Australia does.

"The ban also extends to mix breeds of these breeds and to dogs that display any visible characteristics of the breeds mentioned above."

https://petraveller.com.au/blog/prohibited-dog-and-cat-breeds-in-australia

The breeding on pocket bullies is awful.

There's a rescue centre local to me which has had to put down numerous pocket bullies because they're so deformed they're in unresolvable, unmanageable pain https://www.facebook.com/HopeRescueWales/posts/heartbreaking-news-many-of-you-saw-keanu-on-the-panorama-programme-and-were-horr/576065451221341/

'Nanny dogs' is an invention to try to improve the public image of bully-type fighting dogs.

The DDA has been woefully badly implemented. There are still far too many of this type of dog out there, injuring and killing people and pets.

If the ban had been properly carried out, there wouldn't be new, super-bully types being bred and inbred in the first place.

Someone has listed their adult American bully on peta4homes a few minutes ago as they don’t have time to walk it. Bargain price of £2700 🙄. I imagine a few people will be trying to offload their dogs. No idea if it’s an xl. Is an xl just a big American bully cross? I wonder if some people will try and sell theirs quick and give it another name?

They will be renamed as mastiff x staff and then sold as that. Same as the pits that were sold as a staff x.

We need stricter regulations.

They will just be replaced by another hybrid breed.