What is going to happen to all the litters of xl bully puppies?

[Wanttobeok]

So now that XL Bullys are going to be banned by the end of the year (fully in support of that) what is going to happen to all the puppies?

Currently on gumtree for my city alone there are about a dozen adverts for litters of this "breed" so across the country it must be hundreds.

I can see that the prices have already been massively reduced but who is going to buy one now knowing that it will have to be on lead, muzzled etc

What will these breeders do with all the unwanted puppies.

It occurred to me that if they release them into the wild then we could have packs of wild dangerous dogs roaming around...

It's the classification of breed that will be hard. Often the dogs involved are some horrendously leggy variety that even xl bully owners wouldn't identify as an xl bully

In these pictures 8 are kc registered staffies and 7 are xl bullies. The next only has one xl bully, 2 crosses of allowed breeds and the rest are recognised breeds

Staffs are the 6th most popular breed in the UK, there were over 6,000 registered each year (ignoring all the un registered ones) and frequetly tops polls of beloved breeds. They are suspected to be potentially the biggest UK breed if you take into account the unofficial staffs

I wouldn't want to be the one drawing the line.

I think the man recently killed was by a dog that jumped from a neighbour's window - so that would have made no difference.

It won’t be ages, it will be defined and law by year end. Which is 3 and a half months away. A panel of experts is being put in place to define it now.

It's totally irresponsible for owners not to have large dogs on a lead and especially big dogs muzzled

@Janieforever but what will it do?
Who's going to police it properly to have any impact?

We already have dance dogs legislation which is barely worth the paper it's written on.
It not preventative measures it's reactive. People are only prosecuted under the legislation after a banned breed has attacked someone.
How do we stop attacks BEFORE they happen?
Banning them isn't enough

Dogs not dance

I agree with all dogs muzzled in public,not just certain breeds but it would have to be enforced by immediate fine/removal if not complied with.Definitely leashed as well but the xxl dogs can easily pull the owners over or snap the leash to attack so muzzle would be more important.

It will be hard to define a breed standard though as they are a cross.

People will claim their's is a cross of something else.

It's an awful mess and rather than just banning 'breeds", the government needs to tackle and thoroughly regulate the dog breeding industry.

However, this will never happen as they are unable to manage,.Education, NHS etc

We cull deer where I live. We kill billions of animals for consumption or their skin. We kill billions of animals for other animals (pet food. Zoo food.).

Dogs should be no different. Feed them to the lions at the zoo.

Police forces have designated DLO officers who are trained to spot the characteristics of a banned breed against that of a cross staffs for eg. They are highly trained and measure the dogs limbs and muscle mass as well as watch how they walk etc. if suspected to be a banned breed they are seized for dna testing . It is science , but not rocket science.

That works when it's a breed. But currently xl bullies aren't even a recognised set of things a a breed let alone to enforce . Most are staff crosses etc

It's done of measurements etc, but there is no clear standard xl bully currently, a quick look at any of the breeder sites will show wildly different sizes and statures and characteristics

I've posted this in the other threads but these pictures show the issue. The first is half kc registered staff (one of the UK most popular breed) and half are xl. Can you tell who's who?

In the next it's only one xl, 2 cross breeds and the rest recognised breeds

There is no such thing as a 'responsible breeder' of these animals.

And their little children, unfortunately. I’m disappointed to hear that banned might not actually mean banned.

https://www.gov.uk/control-dog-public/banned-dogs

This is currently what it means to have banned breed

Just makes me sad a whole generation of dogs are doing to be abandoned and banned because of a few idiots who shouldn’t have them. What a waste

It’s awful this thread and debate has a huge classist element to it. It’s not just people in social housing that have American xl bullies. It’s inadequate owners who get these breeds and have no idea how to train and work with them.

Oh this is worrying, my SBT is pretty big but anyone could see its not a XL bully but we all know the police don't care and can already seize any big jowly dog under the premise of "it looks like a pitbull" 😔 and the assessments are a joke - put most dogs in a tiny concrete cell away from their family and interaction for months while being assessed and of course they will be stressed.

I'm really worried now 😕 and worried that a lot more SBTs will end up in rescue because owners are concerned they might have to decide to pts. Or just not take them out for walks so no risk of them being seized 😔 unfortunately thats something I'd have to do - simply no chance id pts - and just make sure mine gets loads of exercise in the garden.

Thanks, dickhead XL bully owners 🖕

Re. The issue of not being able to determine if they’re an XL or not.

Not being facetious, but is the solution not in their name? If they’re fucking massive they’re an XL, if they’re staffy-sized then they’re a staffy.

I know it won’t always be that simple, but surely we can make a decent guess just by looking at them in comparison to one another.

XL Bullies are way bigger than Staffs

The reason the first of FlamedMoth's montage is difficult is because most of the pics are stripped of background that would show size.

Proper traditional Staffies are much smaller than people think (16 inches, 16kg ish)

It’s a valid observation.

No different from me living beside a popular dog walking park in a “naice” area and having a game with DH guessing on how many cockapoos we’ll spot on the way home.

I was at my local fish and chip van last night and a group of teenagers were in front of me in the queue. They had two puppies with them and they said one was a staffy and the other was an xl bully. Both were beautiful dogs but as soon as I started making a fuss of them the lads started showing off, saying yeah he’s an xl bully and he’s worth 25 grand! Then he started pulling him around by the lead and when he’d been served the dog started jumping up to the food and the lad kicked him out of the way. Those children shouldn’t have any animals especially ones that are deemed dangerous. I’m dreading to think about that dog’s future and what might happen with people around him or members of the public.

Must admit its that image of all those dogs thats really rattled me. Mine is muscly but nowhere near XL size, or as strong. I hope you're right 🙏

Nothing I think unless they are reported and determined by the authorities to be a banned breed. If this is the case they will be put down.

Only massive when fully grown I assume? Would a young XL not be a similar size to a staffy? Genuine question, no sarcasm, I know it's hard to sense tone over the internet!

There is a girl trying to flog some "XL bully x staff" pups on Facebook atm, they are over 4 months old now, practically being given away and no interest. She keeps reposting them with "let down again!! Still available reduced"