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What’s the scariest unsolved mystery you know?

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Mimmy352 · 02/09/2023 18:17

Whether it’s personal or well known, which unsolved case makes your brain sound like dial up?

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Orange67 · 05/09/2023 06:42

KingCharlesCoronation · 04/09/2023 19:39

I remember ages ago reading about a baby girl in America, who went missing. Maybe in the 80s / 90s but possibly later.

Her parents were sharing a house with a lady with learning disabilities, who could apparently live semi-independently provided the baby's parents gave this lady a little help with certain tasks. This lady asked if she could take the baby out for a walk in her pram. Her parents said yes. She took the baby for a walk, but returned with an empty pram.

She couldn't / wouldn't tell the parents where their baby was. The police searched a nearby lake. They didn’t find anything. Last I heard it was an unsolved case but now I can't find anything about it on Google. Maybe because of data protection laws or something. But does this case ring any bells for anyone?

This has made me feel sick :(

Henowner · 05/09/2023 06:51

FlakeyFish · 03/09/2023 22:34

The first name on this list, Ames Glover, is the one that has been on my mind all today, reading through these. Just a few months older than my son, and just a few miles from where we lived at the time. His parents were separated, his Dad had Ames (5 months old, in a baby seat in the car) - went to a cash point, then picked up a takeaway, and says the baby was taken from the seat of his car.

https://www.voice-online.co.uk/news/uk-news/2023/06/30/33-years-gone-what-happened-to-ames/
https://www.mylondon.news/news/west-london-news/heartbreaking-story-5-month-old-18819380

Thank you for those 2 articles FlakeyFish. They really show the disparity in police response compared to the recovery of Alexandra Griffiths who was taken around the same time. I do remember news reports of Ames at the time but Alexandra got much more coverage and attention when she went missing.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/real-life-stories/girl-who-snatched-baby-meets-3039739

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4232659.stm

Girl who was snatched as a baby meets cop who helped track her down 24 years later

Alex Griffiths was snatched from maternity ward as a baby and cop Nicky Pearse helped track her down and give her back to her mother - now the three meet again

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/real-life-stories/girl-who-snatched-baby-meets-3039739

Cigarettesandbooze · 05/09/2023 07:16

Trevor Deely for sure. So many questions.

Iamtheonwandlonely · 05/09/2023 07:29

Sneha Anne Philip (October 7, 1969 – legal d. September 11, 2001) was an Indian-American physician who was last seen on September 10, 2001, by a department store surveillance camera near her Lower Manhattan apartment. She may have returned to the building at some point that night or the next morning. Due to the proximity of the World Trade Center and her medical training, Philip's family believes she perished trying to help victims of the following day's terrorist attacks.

Did she really die on 9/11 or did she take an opportunity to disappear.

Lower Manhattan - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lower_Manhattan

Jk8 · 05/09/2023 08:28

@Starlia William tyrell was a foster child who had been taken outside of the city to visit his carer's mother. The police/social services admitted they covered it up to hide the fact that he was in foster care & claimed he was visiting his "grandmother" (who he wouldnt really have know well at all) & the carer later got charged with assaulting another child in her care a couple years later. Very suss

tuvamoodyson · 05/09/2023 08:29

LylaLee · 03/09/2023 19:05

What? You believe a surrogate was used? Or that they have more than 2?

I read that as she BELIEVES the children are definitely theirs, but she’s waiting to be proved wrong.

wincarwoo · 05/09/2023 08:45

timesaretight · 05/09/2023 00:00

Nobody ever thinks about Ben Needham. I wonder why that is?

I'm sure his remains have been found. Probably killed accidentally and buried in a building site.

Starlia · 05/09/2023 08:56

Jk8 · 05/09/2023 08:28

@Starlia William tyrell was a foster child who had been taken outside of the city to visit his carer's mother. The police/social services admitted they covered it up to hide the fact that he was in foster care & claimed he was visiting his "grandmother" (who he wouldnt really have know well at all) & the carer later got charged with assaulting another child in her care a couple years later. Very suss

Exactly. And the police have looked for his body buried in the yard some years later.

I do wonder what the foster carers did with the poor boy’s body.

I feel so terribly sorry for him. Such a gorgeous little boy.

Starlia · 05/09/2023 08:58

Iamtheonwandlonely · 05/09/2023 07:29

Sneha Anne Philip (October 7, 1969 – legal d. September 11, 2001) was an Indian-American physician who was last seen on September 10, 2001, by a department store surveillance camera near her Lower Manhattan apartment. She may have returned to the building at some point that night or the next morning. Due to the proximity of the World Trade Center and her medical training, Philip's family believes she perished trying to help victims of the following day's terrorist attacks.

Did she really die on 9/11 or did she take an opportunity to disappear.

I seem to recall she was facing disciplinary action in her job and could have lost her licence and I think she also had some substance use disorder as well?
I also think I remember that her marriage was in a very bad place but can’t remember why. All in all, some believe 9/11 provided the perfect opportunity to walk away and start again.

LylaLee · 05/09/2023 09:14

Starlia · 05/09/2023 08:56

Exactly. And the police have looked for his body buried in the yard some years later.

I do wonder what the foster carers did with the poor boy’s body.

I feel so terribly sorry for him. Such a gorgeous little boy.

DNA & fingerprinting only started being used in policing in the 1980s. By the 2000s CCTV became another tool used in solving crimes.

I wonder what new invention will be a game-changer in the future.

The way you can ultrasound a person, or use a metal detector on the beach, maybe there will be something invented where you can scan a ten meter radius at a time for human remains buried underground.

Or the way someone from the 1700s would think a movie was wizardry, maybe they will invent something that plays back events in a certain place. So there's like a hologram of who committed a crime.

So 'grandad the travelling salesman, who had a secret second family in Liverpool in the 1950s' would never have dreamed his grandchild swabbing their cheek would reveal an 'unexpected family connection' in Liverpool. Or that a quick Google by someone researching family history would show a birth certificate with his name as the father.

HolyHellaciousHeck · 05/09/2023 09:14

I think part of the issue with little William Tyrell is that Australian law is far more restrictive in what can be revealed about children in the media. It wasn't permitted under Australian media law for anyone to disclose that he was a foster child, ostensibly for his own privacy, until a member of the public - a former child in care herself - who suspected that he was a foster child and thought it was in the public interest that people know that, took it to court and made a case that this should be public information. She won and it then became known.

And even after that, the identities of his foster parents (and the late woman whose house they were visiting) are still legally protected, again ostensibly for the privacy of the children (William and his sibling) but in practice it feels like that is maybe protecting the wrong people.

I read that William's foster mother's alibi was based on the time the famous photo of him in his Spiderman suit was taken. Almost immediately after that he was missing and she phoned the police. However there's a suspicion that the metadata of the camera may have been tampered with to make it look like the photo was taken later than it was which if true would mean the family had time to dispose of his body before calling for help.

I feel sorry for William's birth family. They were flawed as parents but how heartbreaking to have a child taken off you and then not even protected by his new carers.

This thread has made me realise how much time I spend thinking about, and reading about, unsolved cases. And to be honest I'm starting to feel it's too much time. I think I need to step away from the true crime and do something more wholesome.

dottiedodah · 05/09/2023 09:15

I think poor MMs parents have suffered terribly with vile rumours about what happened to her .Kate in particular looks absolutely haunted .The recent speculation of a polish girl feeling that she was MM ,must have been horrific for them. I think just leave them in peace now .They must have asked themselves over and over why they left the door unlocked ,but they cant turn back time!

Childhoodmemories · 05/09/2023 09:27

HolyHellaciousHeck · 05/09/2023 09:14

I think part of the issue with little William Tyrell is that Australian law is far more restrictive in what can be revealed about children in the media. It wasn't permitted under Australian media law for anyone to disclose that he was a foster child, ostensibly for his own privacy, until a member of the public - a former child in care herself - who suspected that he was a foster child and thought it was in the public interest that people know that, took it to court and made a case that this should be public information. She won and it then became known.

And even after that, the identities of his foster parents (and the late woman whose house they were visiting) are still legally protected, again ostensibly for the privacy of the children (William and his sibling) but in practice it feels like that is maybe protecting the wrong people.

I read that William's foster mother's alibi was based on the time the famous photo of him in his Spiderman suit was taken. Almost immediately after that he was missing and she phoned the police. However there's a suspicion that the metadata of the camera may have been tampered with to make it look like the photo was taken later than it was which if true would mean the family had time to dispose of his body before calling for help.

I feel sorry for William's birth family. They were flawed as parents but how heartbreaking to have a child taken off you and then not even protected by his new carers.

This thread has made me realise how much time I spend thinking about, and reading about, unsolved cases. And to be honest I'm starting to feel it's too much time. I think I need to step away from the true crime and do something more wholesome.

I don't think you change a law for one case. The privacy of foster carers and their charges absolutely must be protected for safeguarding reasons - there are probably more families who would do them harm then there are dodgy foster carers.

Kitchendisco1 · 05/09/2023 10:19

@Yiayoula It was actually Alan Wood I was thinking of. Donal McIntyre has done a series of unsolved murder cases including his. I found it when I was looking at the one about Barry Rubery. But the murders are similar & both very disturbing.

MariaVT65 · 05/09/2023 10:25

There was a series recently on ITV called ‘In the footsteps of killers’ which investigates cold cases. I imagine it’s still available to download if anyone is interested.

It did an episode abour Trevaline Evans, pretty sure they think the husband was responsible.

MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 05/09/2023 10:29

tuvamoodyson · 05/09/2023 08:29

I read that as she BELIEVES the children are definitely theirs, but she’s waiting to be proved wrong.

She did a cracking job of gaining and losing baby weight if they aren't hers, I mean I can't stand the woman or him for that matter but honestly that theory is utterly ridiculous, the kids look like their parents fgs 🙄

MabelMaybe · 05/09/2023 10:51

@MariaVT65 the theory with Trevalline Evans is that the police know who did it, but don't have enough evidence to prove it. Not sure who that person is though.

Lwrenagain · 05/09/2023 11:11

After this thread I looked up Suzy Lamplugh and then watched a documentary about her.

Police seem convinced her killer is in prison for other crimes, he seems a pretty solid suspect, John Cannan.

If there was a possibility of it being someone else, they don't seem to have been brought up much.

Seems Suzy's family and her poor parents believed it was John Cannan also, how tragic they never got that closure.

Terribly distressing story, I just hope Cannan is never released from prison.

wordlesie · 05/09/2023 11:29

I know it's been mentioned but Timothy Pitzen. It was horrible when a scam artists pretended to be him giving his family so much hope and joy only to be fake.

Did his mum kill him before killing herself and dispose of his body? Or was he just given away to people who live off grid. I really hope it's the latter and that he will be found one day.

Jk8 · 05/09/2023 12:06

True. I cant imagine being deemed unfit to parent then hearing my child was missing & the reality that they would have been the main suspects not the carers by police for wanting him back but I also wonder if he would have been viewed more likely to run away/be "allowed" to disapear if it was known he was in an unfamiliar area & the carers knew he wouldn't be able to make it far so didnt chase after him ect. Just awful

Pinkdelight3 · 05/09/2023 12:06

@Mimmy352 please start a #2 thread for this (until it has its own topic) - so fascinating!

SolviturAmbulando · 05/09/2023 12:59

whatever1980 · 05/09/2023 06:36

@RhannionKPSS thank you for the update.

Did the PSNI say why they had not informed anyone about the CCTV for 2 years?

Have they said why they're withholding the other CCTV?

Without knowing the 'why' it's difficult to understand the PSNI's stance especially as the death of a child is involved.

I will try to answer this for you as it was my update.💙

The PSNI have withheld crucial information and evidence throughout their poor excuse of an 'investigation' into Noah Donohoe's disappearance and death, even to the extent of applying to the UK government for - and being eventually granted, despite a huge public outcry and battle including in the coroners court against it - a PPI (Public Interest Immunity) Certificate relating to files from the investigation they wish to keep secret. This seems likely to be a combination of trying to hide their own incompetence and bigotry as individuals and as an institution, to prevent imagined unrest and to protect informants or significant others, some of whom may be involved in what happened to Noah. Some people do not deserve protection. It seems the PSNI have a habit of protecting the wrong people. It has been and is a cover up, whichever way you look at it, right from the very beginning and up until this point. As for the imagined potential unrest, this has never been what Noah's family and supporters want. We want only the truth, especially for his mummy, and justice for Noah. We want this to protect future missing children and their families too, from all communities. Unrest is in fact more likely if the truth and justice are not delivered and done, and seen to be delivered and done.

One of the reasons for the Inquest delays is that Noah's legal team are having to repeatedly battle for timely disclosures of evidence including CCTV, rather than it being withheld by the PSNI or disclosed at the very last minute when it is too late for the legal team and Noah's loved ones to properly deal with.

SolviturAmbulando · 05/09/2023 13:33

Xeren · 04/09/2023 16:43

Noah Donohoe, a child goes missing in broad daylight, seen cycling around naked and then found dead in a storm drain. It was decided that he hit his head, got confused, took his own clothes off and fell in.

So strange. Very sinister.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/v7dkgy/he-was-seen-cycling-naked-through-a-housing-estate-and-then-he-vanished

It was decided that he hit his head, got confused, took his own clothes off and fell in.
Just to clarify, before this thread closes, the evidence does not support this theory. Also, there are unfortunately a number of inaccuracies in the Vice article. It also quotes PSNI Superintendent Muir Clark who, like Simon Byrne, should not still be in the job.

AcesBaseballbat · 05/09/2023 14:16

I don't know and haven't followed the Elm House scandal much but I used to live in the area, and someone would regularly plaster all the local bus stops with printouts of stuff they'd written all about Elm House and the terrible things they claimed had gone on there. Clearly someone not very well mentally but I did always wonder if it was someone who'd been abused there and had severe trauma as a result.

I think something did go on there.

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