What’s the scariest unsolved mystery you know?

[Mimmy352]

Whether it’s personal or well known, which unsolved case makes your brain sound like dial up?

So why isn't it admissable in court? Why did they signal a positive result , what else could it have been that they smelled?

Not particularly to do with MM, just interested generally as it was mentioned.

Why did they signal a positive result , what else could it have been that they smelled?

There doesn't have to be anything at all; even a well-trained cadaver or blood sniffing dog can give a false positive out of nothing more than a desire to please their handler.

Even handlers of these dogs will tell you they are not intended to provide conclusive evidence. Their role is merely to alert their handlers to the possibility that there's something there to investigate. They can't be viewed as being any more precise than that.

There was a long discussion on this issue during the Casey Anthony trial in Florida in 2011. Their courts do admit dog-handers' evidence, and the handler in this case took every care to make these points clearly and in full. In which case, it begs the question of why they permit that particular evidence at all. It's unfair to jurors in its unrealistic expectation that they make serious decisions based on a very shaky pretext, and to decide for themselves whether a dog-alert carries any basis in fact or not. This is a dangerous concept and could serve to cement existing bias, albeit not in that particular case.

No UK court would admit this as evidence at all.

Interesting,thanks 😊

I wonder what happened to Noah Donohoe, the 14 year old boy who disappeared in Belfast in June 2020 and his body was found 6 days later in a storm drain, wearing few clothes and with none of his belongings.
So sad for his loving Mum.

True, but if people post wild enough allegations and other fantasists pile into the echo chamber, then others think they must know what they are talking about and hold back. I am duty bound to break the spell and challenge the florid speculations.

So why isn't it admissable in court? Why did they signal a positive result , what else could it have been that they smelled?

Some interesting comments on Reddit from a couple of years back, from someone claiming to be a cadaver dog handler:

'I am a cadaver dog handler and I think there's a very high chance of false positives in this case. The first thing to consider is that there were two dogs, but there was only one handler, and most false alerts are handler error.

As others have noted, there were huge breaches of search protocol in the vehicle search. Any dog will eventually give a false alert if you keep telling it to work the same area over and over, which is what happened. It's been awhile since I read it, but I recall that the pattern of alerts in the apartment also made me suspicious that they were reworking the dogs over the same areas over and over again in there. So they were basically asking for a false alert.

Even if the alerts were correct, though, we're talking about hotel rooms/vehicles where who knows what could have occurred. Someone crashes their bike and bleeds all over their clothes, then drops them in the trunk of the car and the fluid soaks into the fibers of the upholstery (or behind the sofa, or anywhere else the dogs alerted)? That could be enough to get a cadaver dog alert even though it has no relevance to the McCann case.

Dogs are pretty amazing and I have a tremendous amount of faith in mine, and all of their alerts have been backed up by forensic evidence. I'd still never convict someone just based on the evidence they provide, especially since on a few occasions that forensic evidence showed that, while the alert was correct (there was actually blood there), it had nothing to do with the actual mission we were on.'

They later added:

'I guess my answer to that would be that dogs are always right until they're not. This was a pretty unusual case with a lot of media scrutiny and pressure on the handler to find something, and I do think that played a role. If you watch the video another commenter posted, it's not even slight changes. I will admit I hadn't even actually watched it until yesterday (just relied on written reports), and it was actually worse than what I was picturing. The handler moved on quickly from all of the control vehicles when his dog didn't show interest, but called him back like 4-5 times to the McCanns' vehicle, tapped it, gestured towards it, etc. even after the dog had repeatedly moved on. I think even my younger dog, who has a notorious, "fuck you, I know my job" attitude so it's hard to get in her way, would give a false alert if I did that.'

https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/6qq47l/questions_about_madeleine_mccann_case/

Thank you 😊

God I am hoping someone tells all someday because someone is covering something

Are you not thinking of Lynette White? No one has ever been charged/convicted of killing Dawn.

May have already been mentioned but there’s an interesting podcast about Noah Donohoe called “I want answers for my son” it’s by James English and features Noah’s mum Fiona

Terry Hall was an incredibly brave man to endure what he did and live to his 60's.. although looks like he self medicated all of his life. Horrible to read, I know something happened in his childhood because some of the lyrics refer to it, but didn't realise the extent of what happened to him. Who was the French teacher and why no prosecution? Why didn't he tell his family? 😔

Currently reading page 10 but just in case no one has mentioned it… Stephanie Harlowe has a superb YouTube channel about crime and mysteries (she also does Harloween every October about unsolved or creepy mysteries). Real deep dives too. Thoroughly recommend her. She’s super thorough with her research too.

Jodie Jones - I don't know whether I believe Luke Mitchell is guilty or not, but from what I've read he was convicted on very shaky circumstantial evidence. I used to follow a lot of MoJ boards where they published stuff showing someone else did it. Luke left no DNA near or on Jodie, but they found a condom nearby with DNA of a significant person.

Can we stop mentioning MM and wildly speculating as the thread will be pulled.

Didn't the McCann's only hire the car a few days after Madeleine's disappearance? Do people really think they managed to hide a body and only move it several days after they had a they had alerted the police/media and couldn't move a muscle without two dozen cameras flashing?

I think with Noah, that that the facts of the case have been withheld from disclosure under a public interest clause, it seems pretty clear that the persons involved in his disappearance are high level police informants who are considered more valuable to the public interest, the police and possibly the government than Noah’s mother finding out the exact circumstances through which her son died. I think we’ll be waiting for some time.

What I find perhaps most sad about Andrew Gosden’s disappearance was how during the investigation - and indeed in the years since - there were virtually no peer / friend accounts given of Andrew’s character or experience at school. There’s one from somebody who attended the same primary school as him, yet Andrew was 14; there’s one from the son of the vicar who the family were close to, but who attended a different school and didn’t see Andrew often; there’s one from a pupil in an older year who sometimes saw Andrew in the library. But not one single classmate or friend who seemed to actually know Andrew and could say whether he had been behaving differently recently, or to confirm that he did indeed have a mobile phone or used the internet, or to say that they thought Andrew often went places that his family didn’t know about, or sometimes seemed secretive.

The twins who went off for a run around on the motorway and somehow survived despite being hit..then one went off to murder a man...just the whole behaviour and what led to that moment! More so because traffic cops or something was filming so it all their motorway moves was seen on camera

Another good podcast that covers a lot of the cases mentioned is called Real
The episodes about Jodie Jones and Luke Mitchell are really interesting and Luke does an interview from prison

Rebecca Coriam is another cruise ship mystery I went down a rabbit hole with ... although I believe the consensus is that she was thrown/fell overboard, after an argument with her boyfriend.

Ah,so he died without saying where he'd put her body?
Thanks for clearing that up-id got the wrong end of the stick

Prayers to her family

I remember ages ago reading about a baby girl in America, who went missing. Maybe in the 80s / 90s but possibly later.

Her parents were sharing a house with a lady with learning disabilities, who could apparently live semi-independently provided the baby's parents gave this lady a little help with certain tasks. This lady asked if she could take the baby out for a walk in her pram. Her parents said yes. She took the baby for a walk, but returned with an empty pram.

She couldn't / wouldn't tell the parents where their baby was. The police searched a nearby lake. They didn’t find anything. Last I heard it was an unsolved case but now I can't find anything about it on Google. Maybe because of data protection laws or something. But does this case ring any bells for anyone?

Youre absolutely right, I'm sorry!
I was on nights last night so I've been reading exhausted and I saw something about both posted here and got confused. Thank you for correcting me. And really sorry if I confused anyone.
No disrespect to either victim and once again I'm sorry!

That was one of the weirdest things I've ever seen. It was like they were possessed. Absolutely bizarre.

To give some hope. In 1987 there were two murders of women in the town I live, a couple of
months apart and near each other. They were unsolved and notorious in the area.
in 2021 they found the killer and convicted him of that and multiple other hideous things. Horrific, absolutely horrific the entire thing. It’s now a Netflix documentary which I can’t bear to watch. Had they caught him in 1987 so much would have been saved. But my point is, he definitely thought he was home and dry and had gotten away with some massive things. But then was caught out of the blue!! Although even that was delayed because his dna was taken in 2007, just wasn’t matched to the case until 2020 somehow. But still, justice was served eventually.