Not only did Lucy Letby kill and badly hurt babies…

determinedtomakethiswork · 2023-08-18T21:23:02+00:00

She also prepared the memory boxes for parents of the dead children. Can you imagine having a memory box with photos and footprints of your dead child which had been taken by his or her merger? That goes way beyond the murder. I just don't know how the families are coping.

LakeTiticaca · 18/08/2023 22:24

It's sick and sick that the consultants had to write a letter of apology to her for suspecting her of harming the babies!!

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determinedtomakethiswork · 18/08/2023 22:30

Wasn't that shocking? I think those managers should be in court and have to justify their actions

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Whattodo112222 · 18/08/2023 22:32

I felt awful the entire way through that documentary. That lead Consultant so clearly has ptsd..

Those poor, poor families.

I'm utterly dumbfounded all her friends are sticking by her.

LakeTiticaca · 18/08/2023 22:33

determinedtomakethiswork · 18/08/2023 22:30

Wasn't that shocking? I think those managers should be in court and have to justify their actions

Yes they should 😡🤬

AngryGreasedSantaCatcus · 18/08/2023 22:34

In light of the verdict, will there be a serious case review/action taken against the higher ups that refused to listen to concerns,made consultants apologise and tried to cover it all up?

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determinedtomakethiswork · 18/08/2023 22:34

I think the thing with her friends was that they didn't go to court. Lucy had told them not to go. You can see why when you hear the evidence. I was listening to a podcast called the Lucy Letby trial which a court journalist runs and when it comes to the prosecution case, there are just no two ways about it. Of course if her friends didn't go to court and are just talking to each other about it then it's easy to see why they think she's innocent.

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determinedtomakethiswork · 18/08/2023 22:35

It said in the documentary that there's been a complete change of management. I imagine though that they have moved onto other jobs. So disgusting that's all of the paediatric consultants said they were worried about this one particular nurse and they were told to go away.

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Nevermay · 18/08/2023 22:36

what I don't understand is how her parents could have brought her up to the age of 18 without realising that there was something seriously wrong, and that she needed to be prevented from becoming a nurse.

How can she have hidden what she was capable of, from being a tiny child upwards?

1dayatatime · 18/08/2023 22:37

Has there ever been any explanation of what motivated her to do this? There was no evidence of insanity or anything.

This makes it all the more horrifying that someone who is trained to save lives could then suddenly flip into being a serial killer of babies.

Nevermay · 18/08/2023 22:37

1dayatatime · 18/08/2023 22:37

Has there ever been any explanation of what motivated her to do this? There was no evidence of insanity or anything.

This makes it all the more horrifying that someone who is trained to save lives could then suddenly flip into being a serial killer of babies.

It was the training which informed her how to kill

TomatoSandwiches · 18/08/2023 22:39

The response and management or rather lack of the accusations and concerns put forward is almost as pathological as Letby herself.
The NHS infrastructure and culture needs a complete overhaul from the ground up, the trust in question is partly responsible for the extent and volume of damage she has caused.
They should be held culpable in a court of law.

peelyjuice · 18/08/2023 22:43

In light of the verdict, will there be a serious case review/action taken against the higher ups that refused to listen to concerns,made consultants apologise and tried to cover it all up?

unlikely

SleepingStandingUp · 18/08/2023 22:44

Nevermay · 18/08/2023 22:36

what I don't understand is how her parents could have brought her up to the age of 18 without realising that there was something seriously wrong, and that she needed to be prevented from becoming a nurse.

How can she have hidden what she was capable of, from being a tiny child upwards?

I don't think many people would see virtually any behaviour in their child as indicative that their child will grow up to be a murderer. And there's nothing to say she was like this from a tiny child. No one is born evil.

Badback44 · 18/08/2023 22:46

What documentary is it please?

Nevermay · 18/08/2023 22:47

SleepingStandingUp · 18/08/2023 22:44

I don't think many people would see virtually any behaviour in their child as indicative that their child will grow up to be a murderer. And there's nothing to say she was like this from a tiny child. No one is born evil.

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no, but people are born to be psychopathic, it just makes no sense to me. Either she grew up profoundly evil or she changed and became profoundly evil, either way, do you believe it is possible that her parents truly didn't know there was something so fundamentally wrong with her?

OhcantthInkofaname · 18/08/2023 22:47

As far as the sentence goes for her guilty judgment I'd simply let the mothers take her for a walk.

NamedChangedForThisss · 18/08/2023 22:48

determinedtomakethiswork · 18/08/2023 22:35

It said in the documentary that there's been a complete change of management. I imagine though that they have moved onto other jobs. So disgusting that's all of the paediatric consultants said they were worried about this one particular nurse and they were told to go away.

What is the documentary called and where can I watch it please?

granstable · 18/08/2023 22:48

1dayatatime · 18/08/2023 22:37

Has there ever been any explanation of what motivated her to do this? There was no evidence of insanity or anything.

This makes it all the more horrifying that someone who is trained to save lives could then suddenly flip into being a serial killer of babies.

I think she is probably a psychopath. She seems to have some of the traits.
https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-a-psychopath-5025217

Could Someone I Know Be a Psychopath?

The term “psychopath” is used to describe someone who is callous, unemotional, and morally depraved. Learn differences between a psychopath vs. sociopath, and more.

https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-a-psychopath-5025217

Nevermay · 18/08/2023 22:49

One of my friends has a daughter who is a psychopath, and they knew it was likely from around the age of 9, and another daughter, who is not old enough for a diagnosis yet, but again, parents think it likely, and they thought that from about the age of 7. And two other children between them who are not.

AdamRyan · 18/08/2023 22:50

NamedChangedForThisss · 18/08/2023 22:48

What is the documentary called and where can I watch it please?

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It was on BBC tonight and you will be able to watch on iplayer

threelittlescones · 18/08/2023 22:50

That's actually so awful! I know that I personally would have treasured that memory box and the contents and upon finding out what this monster had done, it would feel like it was completely tainted. I would have to throw it away. It's all so utterly sick abd twisted. The poor parents and those sweet little babies.

lunar1 · 18/08/2023 22:52

I was hounded by the school of nursing for failing a student nurse. I was dragged in front of the Dean, made to explain myself. Pressurised to change my paperwork. I didn't.

Told I'd be banned from mentoring and it could seriously affect my career. She was dangerous.

She repeated the placement elsewhere, got a pass. Repeated her final placement, was struck off after qualifying-I don't know what for.

AdamRyan · 18/08/2023 22:53

It made me wonder whether male psychopaths want control and female psychopaths want caring for.
It looks from her text messages like she enjoyed the sympathy about what a great nurse it was and how awful the babies dying must be for her. Classic psychopath "star of their own story" stuff. Also wondered if it was some weird munchausens by proxy thing.

Felt so sorry for the consultant

Squishmallowy · 18/08/2023 22:54

She deserves to rot in a tiny, horrible little jail cell with no comforts for the rest of her wretched life for what she did to those poor little babies who so vulnerable. She’s given the poor parents and families of those babies a life sentence.

Nevermay · 18/08/2023 22:55

Squishmallowy · 18/08/2023 22:54

She deserves to rot in a tiny, horrible little jail cell with no comforts for the rest of her wretched life for what she did to those poor little babies who so vulnerable. She’s given the poor parents and families of those babies a life sentence.

She may end up in a hospital not a prison, I suppose, if she is mentally ill. I hope she lives in terror of the nurses.....