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Not only did Lucy Letby kill and badly hurt babies…

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determinedtomakethiswork · 18/08/2023 22:23

She also prepared the memory boxes for parents of the dead children. Can you imagine having a memory box with photos and footprints of your dead child which had been taken by his or her merger?

That goes way beyond the murder. I just don't know how the families are coping.

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TetrapanaxRex · 18/08/2023 22:55

Dr Ravi Jayoram on Facebook -

Many of you are aware that due to the Lucy Letby trial, I have mostly been absent from social media over the last few months.

My heart goes out to the families of the babies affected by this although nothing can ever undo the evil that was inflicted on their children.

My colleagues and I have lived this for the last 8 years and the period of the trial has been the most difficult part of this. I am proud of all the frontline colleagues with whom I work, for managing to carry on providing excellent care to babies and children under such pressure.

There are bad people in all walks of life and many of them are very good at hiding in plain sight. There are also people in highly paid positions of responsibility in healthcare whose job it is to ensure patient safety. I am relieved that the often-maligned criminal justice system has worked properly this time. However, there are things that need to come out about why it took several months from concerns being raised to the top brass before any action was taken to protect babies, and why from that time it then took almost a year for those highly paid senior managers to allow the police to be involved.

The truth of what happened during that time will shock you to the core as it comes out. The safety of patients should come above any risk of reputational damage and sometimes the right decisions might be difficult and unpopular, but executive level managers are paid to do just that. There are people out there now, still earning six figure sums of tax-payers money or retired with their gold-plated pensions, who need to stand up in public to explain why they did not want to listen and do the right thing, to acknowledge that their actions potentially facilitated a mass-murderer and to apologise to the families involved in all of this. However, I suspect the response will be fudge and misinformation and it is now my mission moving forwards to make sure that they are held to account.

There is a long history of whistleblowers who raise concerns in the NHS not only being ignored but then being portrayed as the problem, sometimes to the point of their careers being destroyed. What happened here was history repeating itself but the patient safety issue that was ignored was beyond anything that the NHS has tried previously to cover up. There needs to be fundamental change in the culture and governance of NHS institutions and it should start right now.

WeetabixTowels · 18/08/2023 22:56

Aside from the obvious sympathy for the poor parents I also feel terrible for her colleagues knowing this went on under their noses and quite often they reported concerns and were told to fuck off. Those poor HCPs. How will they ever recover or trust anyone again

TetrapanaxRex · 18/08/2023 22:57

Squishmallowy · 18/08/2023 22:54

She deserves to rot in a tiny, horrible little jail cell with no comforts for the rest of her wretched life for what she did to those poor little babies who so vulnerable. She’s given the poor parents and families of those babies a life sentence.

Beverley Allitt was committed to Ramton mental hospital not a prison.

Letby might go the same way.

HangerLaneGyratorySystem · 18/08/2023 22:57

I don't think I could watch the documentary, it sounds harrowing - seems like a lot more comes out in the programme. We're discussing it here as if we're trying to make sense of it, I suppose that's natural, but there is no shred of comfort - these people walk among us. I suppose it seems worse when its a young woman?

Cherrysherbet · 18/08/2023 22:57

I hope she gets a hard time in prison. They should never let her out.
What a wicked woman.
I just can’t get my head around it.
My thoughts are with those poor families 💐

AdamRyan · 18/08/2023 22:58

Nevermay · 18/08/2023 22:55

She may end up in a hospital not a prison, I suppose, if she is mentally ill. I hope she lives in terror of the nurses.....

I doubt it. She seems to be psychopathic and that is not a mental health conditiob

Nevermay · 18/08/2023 22:58

TetrapanaxRex · 18/08/2023 22:57

Beverley Allitt was committed to Ramton mental hospital not a prison.

Letby might go the same way.

Might be worse for her there- I mean she will never trust a nurse, will she

PegasusReturns · 18/08/2023 22:59

I’m curious as to the alleged boyfriends role in this.

the texts between them are really odd

AdamRyan · 18/08/2023 23:00

HangerLaneGyratorySystem · 18/08/2023 22:57

I don't think I could watch the documentary, it sounds harrowing - seems like a lot more comes out in the programme. We're discussing it here as if we're trying to make sense of it, I suppose that's natural, but there is no shred of comfort - these people walk among us. I suppose it seems worse when its a young woman?

It was more about the NHS actions than her. I thought it was an excellent bit of journalism but my heart broke for the consultants. The way their concerns were minimised was outrageous.

Nevermay · 18/08/2023 23:00

HangerLaneGyratorySystem · 18/08/2023 22:57

I don't think I could watch the documentary, it sounds harrowing - seems like a lot more comes out in the programme. We're discussing it here as if we're trying to make sense of it, I suppose that's natural, but there is no shred of comfort - these people walk among us. I suppose it seems worse when its a young woman?

We cant help any of the victims, but talking about it together helps ourselves and each other when we are all so disturbed by a news story

drpet49 · 18/08/2023 23:00

Nevermay · 18/08/2023 22:36

what I don't understand is how her parents could have brought her up to the age of 18 without realising that there was something seriously wrong, and that she needed to be prevented from becoming a nurse.

How can she have hidden what she was capable of, from being a tiny child upwards?

I think the parents knew what she was capable of.

Nevermay · 18/08/2023 23:01

PegasusReturns · 18/08/2023 22:59

I’m curious as to the alleged boyfriends role in this.

the texts between them are really odd

how were they odd? Is he a "supporter"?

determinedtomakethiswork · 18/08/2023 23:01

Nevermay · 18/08/2023 22:36

what I don't understand is how her parents could have brought her up to the age of 18 without realising that there was something seriously wrong, and that she needed to be prevented from becoming a nurse.

How can she have hidden what she was capable of, from being a tiny child upwards?

Don't blame them. They had nothing to do with it. She left home at 18.

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Ibizafun · 18/08/2023 23:02

OhcantthInkofaname · 18/08/2023 22:47

As far as the sentence goes for her guilty judgment I'd simply let the mothers take her for a walk.

^ ^ This

Laurapb88 · 18/08/2023 23:02

They don't believe she did it well her mum doesn't she sobbed in court and said this can't be happening

peelyjuice · 18/08/2023 23:03

no, but people are born to be psychopathic, it just makes no sense to me. Either she grew up profoundly evil or she changed and became profoundly evil, either way, do you believe it is possible that her parents truly didn't know there was something so fundamentally wrong with her

Often surgeons & CEOs have psychopathic traits.

She is more of a sociopath. What signs do you think her parents may have seen? Who could imagine something so horrendous?

determinedtomakethiswork · 18/08/2023 23:03

threelittlescones · 18/08/2023 22:50

That's actually so awful! I know that I personally would have treasured that memory box and the contents and upon finding out what this monster had done, it would feel like it was completely tainted. I would have to throw it away. It's all so utterly sick abd twisted. The poor parents and those sweet little babies.

That's exactly how I feel. It makes me want to cry when I think of it. Do you keep those keepsakes knowing that they were taken by the murderer or throw them away and not have them anymore? What a fucking dilemma.

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TomatoSandwiches · 18/08/2023 23:05

Even if you did know your child was a psychopath once they reach adulthood you can not stop them from studying for a certain career.
I have very little doubt that certain aspects of her childhood and the way she was parented had an influence on her personality, it's not a blame game, there are many puzzle pieces that needed to be put together for someone like Letby to end up how she is.

Explaining not excusing.

determinedtomakethiswork · 18/08/2023 23:05

@lunar1 I know with teaching you can look up on the register to see why someone has been struck off. You can read the actual case history. Is that possible with medics?

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peelyjuice · 18/08/2023 23:06

I think the parents knew what she was capable of.

Why do you say that @drpet49 do you know them?

Circleoffifths · 18/08/2023 23:06

I find the BBC reporting of it odd. This section in particular:

In September 2016, Letby was officially informed in a letter from the Royal College of Nursing that she was under investigation over the deaths of babies.
Earlier that year, she had been removed from clinical duties and given a clerical role in the risk and patient safety office by hospital management.
At the time, she believed this was to check staff were competent to do their jobs and hoped to return to the job she loved.

A bizarre way of going about the reporting when she has been found guilty.

AngryGreasedSantaCatcus · 18/08/2023 23:07

@Nevermay not necessarily. First of all, no one will diagnose a child as a psychopath.
Then you have the "classic" signs but they don't always apply and as usual female and male presentations tend to differ.
There might be some niggles/unusual behaviours but those can be easily be dismissed if rare or interpreted as something else. Most psychopaths, raised in stable ,loving homes with good role models don't end up killing people.

Lastly there normally needs to be a trigger for a serial killer to actually start killing. That's why many of them have seemingly normal lives, jobs,families,friends,they can have long cool down periods etc.

So no I don't think it's as clear cut as they must've known.

Hawkins009 · 18/08/2023 23:07

It's all certainly omg and holy Trinity.

DameCurlyBassey · 18/08/2023 23:08

Cherrysherbet · 18/08/2023 22:57

I hope she gets a hard time in prison. They should never let her out.
What a wicked woman.
I just can’t get my head around it.
My thoughts are with those poor families 💐

Is there such a thing as wickedness? This is a serious question. I always think of people who commit evil acts as sick people. I can’t get my head around the fact that they might be “normal” and use their free Will to commit such acts.

I feel seriously low tonight. I need to watch something stupid on tV but even saying that makes me sad because the victims, their families and all the innocent people who knew and loved Lucy Letby will not be able to put these thoughts out of their minds just by watching rubbish tV.

determinedtomakethiswork · 18/08/2023 23:08

PegasusReturns · 18/08/2023 22:59

I’m curious as to the alleged boyfriends role in this.

the texts between them are really odd

With some of the deaths, it's suspected that she simply wanted him to come into the room, so she caused harm to a baby so that she could phone him and ask him to help. That was his job. He was a married man with children and seems to be at least 20 years older than her. I imagine he's a divorced man now.

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