Not only did Lucy Letby kill and badly hurt babies…

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She also prepared the memory boxes for parents of the dead children. Can you imagine having a memory box with photos and footprints of your dead child which had been taken by his or her merger?

That goes way beyond the murder. I just don't know how the families are coping.

Apparently/allegedly Lucy had a difficult birth and grew up with the knowledge that nurses had saved her life and even becoming a nurse because of it.

What would a psychiatrist make of that in connection to her murdering babies in her care?

Of course they couldn't! As an employer I'd never speak to a relative about a candidate for a job 🙄 psychopaths are not uncommon, something like 60% of company CEOs would be classed as having psychopathic traits it's just the majority of them don't kill 🤷‍♀️

Yes - The NMC publish details of all fitness to practise cases and their findings online ie struck off, suspended etc. It’s very transparent.

She deserves to hang for what she has done, all those families she has destroyed. There will most likely be more deaths she has got away with. You can bet she will be sent to Rampton or Broadmoor, not prison. She would be in solitary if she went to prison or dead within a week.

Unfortunately child sex abuse & rape is common but these seems incomprehensible. I personally never would have imagined a women in this position to be capable of this.

The whole thing makes my blood run cold.
Having had a baby in special care as a newborn I can't fathom what the parents are going through. The nurses on the ward at the time were like gods to me. So kind and caring. They kept us going through our darkest moments.
I cannot comprehend how someone can harm a baby. I hope she suffers for what she's done.

Actually, I believe some people are born 'evil'.

To me, evil is an unnecessarily dramatic word. The reality is that some people are born without empathy, they place no value on human life and they have no emotions. Depending on circumstances they might blend in and lead average boring lives, or they might commit hideous acts.

Sorry not sure what happened with my post.

I know it's factually correct but for me saying she killed babies almost downplays the loss. These were whole lives, children, siblings, grandchildren, deaths that have devastated families, potentially led to divorce, and trauma. I cannot imagine how you raise a child who was a triplet with two murdered siblings, and how that child will fair in the future. The effects of her actions will ripple through so many lives for so long, it's an absolute horror.

How awful. What do they do about it?

She shouldn't be hung. And she should be guarded to make sure she has no opportunity to hang herself. I agree she is likely to be in danger from other prisoners. So she is likely to be in segregation, if she goes to prison. Its hard to feel any length of time will ever be enough, but hopefully she will survive another 50 years and hate every minute

I think very rarely you get someone who wants to be a hero so takes a profession that will make them look good. It seems like she was a very lost person with significant social difficulties. Her bedroom was childlike. She'd never had a proper romantic relationship from what I've heard. She craving attention and control and sunk to the most evil depths to get it.

That's the thing though isn't I never in my wildest dreams thought my friend could do something like that he was a lovely sweet caring friend but when he was arrested I believed it to be true, how can her friends sit on national TV and say she Will stand by her for life when she was accused of something so horrific? Granted it was filmed before she was found guilty but it doesn't make sense to me

Has a petition been started asking the government to change the law to prosecute hospital management. They are just as equally to blame as the nurse who committed the crime. Even more so because they knew about it and still covered it up. More protection should be given to whistleblowers & they should go straight to the police instead of management now.

100% agree

Sociopath and psychopath are sociocultural terms used to describe traits of bad behaviour. They are not diagnoses. The main diagnosis for people with those traits is antisocial personality disorder. Before 18, a child or teen might be given the diagnosis of conduct disorder or oppositional defiance disorder of they present with some similar traits.

For the PP mentioning the dad - from an account I’ve read, she must have taken her Dad to her disciplinary meetings as a manager references meeting him and apologising to them both.

Lots of people have psychopathic traits, it is common. Very few go on to kill people. I know someone who is a senior manager who I am convinced is a psychopath,I don't think he would kill somebody and would be very shocked if he did.
Saying her parents should know is a very poor understanding of psychopathy.

It's likely to be on NMC website under headings decisions

Didn't the hospital decide she wasn't to blame for the deaths at some point? Surely then the management are guilty of corporate manslaughter?

That's another likely reason for some of the doubt. The fact she was accused & then apologised too & these institutions do cover up & scapegoat.

This is the problem, universities are penalised for their attrition rates and clinical staff are pressurised not to fail students on placement. It has led to some serious competence issues in newly qualified staff who in my experience should have never been allowed to progress that far.

The two childen I know, one who grew up to get a diagnosis of sociopath, which her parent were told is the modern word for psychopath, and the one who might get the same diagnosis, did not have ODD or conduct disorder - they were just psychopathic, ie opened an upstairs window and lay a baby on the outside window sill, tortured a guinea pig, etc

@Nevermay that sounds absolutely awful. How did they know their daughter is a psychopath?

We need more people who are brave enough to stick to their guns and challenge. So frustrating for you but you tried 💐