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Worried about my mother's neighbour and her obsession.

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missmartha · 11/08/2023 08:12

My mother died recently , but 20 yers prior to this she met a younger woman from the town she lived in at her art class and despite a 20 year age gap they hit it off.

This woman was so friendly she had a key to my mother's house and to be honest, was a help in my mother's final days but obsessively so.

Mother was 98 when she was admitted to hospital and the friend was with her, she visited twice daily and when she wasn't visiting she spent all day at my mother's house.
I do not live locally so could not visit daily but mother had other friends and neighbours but this one did not stop to the extent that she put people off visiting and the hospital staff thought she was my mother's daughter. She was there constantly, even attending ward meetings about my mother's future.

I am unclear what she did at my mother's house. I did ask and was told that she did the washing, took in the mail and 'aired' the house.
I'm pretty sure she moved in if I'm honest.
She lost weight , she wouldn't' eat. She refused days out with friends , gave up her hobbies and delayed her holiday.
When my mother returned home she slept in the house. Mother's other friends were afraid to visit.

My mother died recently and although I have visited, I have rarely seen the friend as she keeps out of my way. I have no idea why, we have a telephone relationship, but a good one I think.
Anyway on seeing the friend I was frankly shocked. She had obviously lost several stones in weight , looked much older and was restless, pacing and shaky.
I believe her to still be living at my mother's house though she can't do that much longer and has a very nice house of her own anyway.

All this has worried me and I am concerned about this woman. What , if anything can I do to help her, I fear she may be ill.

OP posts:
Irunoncoffeemascaraandhighheels · 14/08/2023 19:24

missmartha · 14/08/2023 16:48

My mother's house is being held in trust until such time as all her affairs are settled.
It will then be sold and the proceeds distributed to her favourite charities.
All that will be done by the executor.

And as you loved your DM you'll struggle to fully move on mentally until that has all been done. This woman squatting there will drag it all out. The longer she stays there the more she's going to argue she has a right to be there. Time is of the essence.

TonTonMacoute · 14/08/2023 19:27

If you want this sorted OP then you are going to have to do it yourself, or else stop moaning about it on Mumsnet.

If it was me I would arrange a time to go to the house with your mums solicitor/executor and a locksmith and just get her out of there.

No one else is going to sort this, even it is supposed to be their responsibility, so either let things take their course or go and sort it. Sorry if that sounds harsh.

Irunoncoffeemascaraandhighheels · 14/08/2023 19:29

jolaylasofia · 14/08/2023 17:41

just getting more and. ore infuriating. Your lack of action is also infuriating. The police won't do anything but you are saying you can't change the locks??? doesn't make any sense. Just go and sit in the house and don't move until she is out.

I wouldn't bother wasting your energy getting too infuriated...you're right it doesn't make any sense. Not at all 🤔 from lawyers telling people to commit crimes to the determined digging in of the heels 🧐

Hopingforagreatescape · 14/08/2023 19:45

This woman is rifling through and 'clearing' YOUR things. Your mother left the contents of the house to you, is that right? And this is YOUR mother's house. How dare this little coven use it as their own personal community centre during the day time. Really, how dare they. Locks need to be changed.

Daphnis156 · 14/08/2023 20:03

What a sad situation. The woman is in deep grief, possibly a breakdown.
If you have a key (surely you do?) change the locks and tell her the insurance have told you to, but please tell her before she has a chance to use her (old) key.
You'll have to distance yourself a bit, but she really seems to have been a good friend to your mother, please be kind- but if she us mentally ill this could turn a little difficult.
Good Luck.

Enforceddrysummer · 14/08/2023 20:08

Daphnis156 · 14/08/2023 20:03

What a sad situation. The woman is in deep grief, possibly a breakdown.
If you have a key (surely you do?) change the locks and tell her the insurance have told you to, but please tell her before she has a chance to use her (old) key.
You'll have to distance yourself a bit, but she really seems to have been a good friend to your mother, please be kind- but if she us mentally ill this could turn a little difficult.
Good Luck.

Hmm. I have to disagree with you. I think she's on the make, seeing what she can lay her hands on. Her behaviour, pretending to be the daughter at the hospital and rifling through personal stuff is deeply disturbing. We had this with DH's aunt. Again it was a neighbour who became "invaluable", but was going through auntie's stuff and selling it.

Albless · 14/08/2023 20:12

OP, you don't seem to think that you have any right to a key or to secure the house as it wasn't left to you. However, the contents of the house have been left to you.

Would it help to think of the house as a container? A container filled with your possessions. By changing the locks you would not be making any claim on the container itself, but you would be securing the contents.

Beefcurtains79 · 14/08/2023 20:12

The OP doesnt have a key I don’t think. I believe the solicitor executor does though. You need to meet him, go in together.
Can you not get a key from anyone else OP?

Irunoncoffeemascaraandhighheels · 14/08/2023 20:14

OP doesn't need a key to get the locks changed

Busubaba · 14/08/2023 20:15

Daphnis156 · 14/08/2023 20:03

What a sad situation. The woman is in deep grief, possibly a breakdown.
If you have a key (surely you do?) change the locks and tell her the insurance have told you to, but please tell her before she has a chance to use her (old) key.
You'll have to distance yourself a bit, but she really seems to have been a good friend to your mother, please be kind- but if she us mentally ill this could turn a little difficult.
Good Luck.

How do you explain her nasty behaviour BEFORE the op's mother died?

She lied to the hospital and made out she is the daughter when she is not!

She alienated the ops mother from other friends and stopped them from boating the ops mother in hospital.

Now she is in the mothers home helping herself to stuff that doesn't belong to her!

She is also inviting other people round to 'hang out' inside!

This is the actions of a GRIFTER not a GRIEVER.

SpamFrittersYouSay · 14/08/2023 20:46

OP.
Have you actually told the trustees/executors/solicitors that she's 'clearing the house' and going through the finances?

You are to inherit the contents. Do you know what she's removed?

Change the feckin locks!!! Now!!!

SkylarSpirit · 14/08/2023 20:48

OP, has the will been read yet? Over the weekend you posted that the will hadn't been read yet and that you didn't know what the will said (other than your mother verbally telling you before she died that she wanted the house sold for charity, and you to handle sale of house contents).

If the will hasn't been read and no one knows what the will actually says, then there's nothing the executor can do.

Where is the will, physically? Why don't you have access to it, and why has no one read it yet? I'm not sure how the house can be "in trust" and controlled by trustees when the will hasn't yet been read? Or did your mum appoint trustees and hand over her house to a trust while she was still alive?

Unfortunately lots of people say they're going to leave their estate one way, then when the will is read, there are surprises. Your mum comes across as a very sensible woman, but you really do need to read the will asap and find out what it actually says, not just what your mum told you it would say.

Has anyone made contact with the registry office to discuss registering the death yet?

missmartha · 14/08/2023 21:42

No, the will has not been read yet. Not only that but the neighbour, who was asked to and agreed to arrange the funeral and then offered to register the death hasn't.

Indeed when I suggested that because my mother was now dead and the house no longer hers that the keys should be returned she was a bit odd.
'No', she told me and laughed, 'she isn't even dead because I haven't registered her death.'

Weirdo

With this on my mind I rang the registry office this morning and have arranged to collect the death certificate Wednesday.
The mere fact that an appointment has been made is sufficient to appease the 5 day rule....the neighbour will be going too.

Yes I know, I will probably tell her to sling her hook but she has all the documents and wont give them too me. God knows where she keeps them.

I am not placid.....I am in a fury.

OP posts:
saraclara · 14/08/2023 22:46

Are you sure that there isn't a later will? Because the neighbour is acting with such arrogance that I wonder if she knows something that you don't.

BronwenFrideswide · 14/08/2023 22:50

I am not placid.....I am in a fury.

Channel that fury into cold hard take no nonsense determination, OP, both with her and the Executor.

The Executor must do their job and that woman must sling her hook.

Confusinglyconfused · 14/08/2023 22:53

Consider speaking again with the police and add in there is suspected coercion and cuckooing into the mix. Her rifling through the paperwork is either looking for a will, the house deeds or covering her tracks

Confusinglyconfused · 14/08/2023 22:54

And while the neighbour is with you registering the death, have your husband go to the house with a locksmith...

AcclimDD · 14/08/2023 22:56

That's an excellent idea @Confusinglyconfused

Zonder · 14/08/2023 22:56

saraclara · 14/08/2023 22:46

Are you sure that there isn't a later will? Because the neighbour is acting with such arrogance that I wonder if she knows something that you don't.

I wondered this.

WhistPie · 14/08/2023 22:59

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Zonder · 14/08/2023 23:16

Confusinglyconfused · 14/08/2023 22:54

And while the neighbour is with you registering the death, have your husband go to the house with a locksmith...

Or if he can't legally change the locks just have him go there and bolt the door from the inside while he is in it.

Zonder · 14/08/2023 23:16

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Rude. And not true.

MentholLoad · 15/08/2023 00:20

Zonder · 14/08/2023 22:56

I wondered this.

this is what I tried to express earlier in the thread.

MentholLoad · 15/08/2023 00:21

is 'the woman' and 'the neighbour', the same person?

Irunoncoffeemascaraandhighheels · 15/08/2023 00:37

MentholLoad · 15/08/2023 00:21

is 'the woman' and 'the neighbour', the same person?

Yes. It's marginally more polite than saying that thieving scumbag. And shorter. I don't think many are happy calling her the friend now it's so obvious she isn't.