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Worried about my mother's neighbour and her obsession.

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missmartha · 11/08/2023 08:12

My mother died recently , but 20 yers prior to this she met a younger woman from the town she lived in at her art class and despite a 20 year age gap they hit it off.

This woman was so friendly she had a key to my mother's house and to be honest, was a help in my mother's final days but obsessively so.

Mother was 98 when she was admitted to hospital and the friend was with her, she visited twice daily and when she wasn't visiting she spent all day at my mother's house.
I do not live locally so could not visit daily but mother had other friends and neighbours but this one did not stop to the extent that she put people off visiting and the hospital staff thought she was my mother's daughter. She was there constantly, even attending ward meetings about my mother's future.

I am unclear what she did at my mother's house. I did ask and was told that she did the washing, took in the mail and 'aired' the house.
I'm pretty sure she moved in if I'm honest.
She lost weight , she wouldn't' eat. She refused days out with friends , gave up her hobbies and delayed her holiday.
When my mother returned home she slept in the house. Mother's other friends were afraid to visit.

My mother died recently and although I have visited, I have rarely seen the friend as she keeps out of my way. I have no idea why, we have a telephone relationship, but a good one I think.
Anyway on seeing the friend I was frankly shocked. She had obviously lost several stones in weight , looked much older and was restless, pacing and shaky.
I believe her to still be living at my mother's house though she can't do that much longer and has a very nice house of her own anyway.

All this has worried me and I am concerned about this woman. What , if anything can I do to help her, I fear she may be ill.

OP posts:
skinnytobe · 14/08/2023 17:23

Are you absolutely sure she still has her own house? It's sounding more and more like she doesn't hence not leaving your mothers... not that it's your problem but something to question maybe

Confusinglyconfused · 14/08/2023 17:24

Contact the trust and get the locks changed. Next time you are there escort her out the house and then go back in and use the chain to close the door behind you so the key is useless and call a locksmith.

She sounds like a con woman not a partner. She's going through the finances to hide something.

FloofCloud · 14/08/2023 17:27

Wow that sounds dreadful! I hope you get her out and don't lose anything. Sorry for your loss

MentholLoad · 14/08/2023 17:36

missmartha · 14/08/2023 16:54

I have spoken to the police....who wont do anything as she has a key which makes it a civil case apparently and my own solicitilor , who isn't in a position to do anything at the moment and this morning I spoke to my mother's solicitor/executor.

He was very diplomatic and said he would ring the neighbour who's number he has and see what is going on. He sounded a little ruffled but was otherwise calm and obviously careful not to inflame the situation.
What he will say to her I have no idea.

Keepsakes for her have already beed selected by her.

he sounds really unprofessional. first telling you to go and thump a 70 year old woman. and now he is phoning a neighbour to 'see what is going on'...what? 😒

jolaylasofia · 14/08/2023 17:41

just getting more and. ore infuriating. Your lack of action is also infuriating. The police won't do anything but you are saying you can't change the locks??? doesn't make any sense. Just go and sit in the house and don't move until she is out.

missmartha · 14/08/2023 17:41

I think there is much to be said about the executor acting with more responsibility .
He said he would come back to me today but so far I have heard nothing and it simply isn't good enough.
I will write and send an email this evening so that I have something in writing.

Yes, I have a husband and two adult sons, though my sons are keeping out of it. One of them believes the neighbour is mentally ill but that's just a guess of course. .

OP posts:
AcclimDD · 14/08/2023 17:42

What does your husband think OP?
Surely he's furious ?

mathanxiety · 14/08/2023 17:49

I did tell her to stop clearing items. She laughed and said 'no'.

What do you do when you ask and the answer is "no'. Where do you go from there?

I am not in a position to change locks. If the executor wants to it's up to him, I don't have the authority.

@missmartha
You need to get off that high horse of yours or this woman will steal your possessions right out from under you.

Chutzpah is your friend here.

Go to the house, and stay there. Make it plain that you are moving in.

Surreptitiously lock either the front or back door. Move her outdoors on some pretext - a special plant/ gnome your mum wanted her to have, etc or you need her help with the garden shed, whatever - and immediately sprint back indoors and bar the door she went out through. If there's a chain, use it.

She has absolutely no recourse to the law or any other authority to make you let her back in. None whatsoever. Stand your ground, literally, and call a locksmith immediately. Stay right by the door until he comes. Get the locks changed front and back. She can do absolutely nothing to make you stop or allow her access. The executor will back you since you have essentially done his job for him, and his is the only authority that counts here wrt the house.

Ignore any threats she makes. If she calls the police, and they actually come (unlikely) refer them to the executor. Have the death certificate to hand, and also a copy of your own birth certificate making the relationship between you and your mother clear. Tell the police she is unhinged and you had to lock her out to prevent her from stealing your possessions.

Busubaba · 14/08/2023 18:00

I'm so pissed off about this woman that I want to bloody go round there with my husband and chuck her out of the property and have the locks changed.

The inaction from the executor is disgusting.

missmartha · 14/08/2023 18:05

My husband is bouncing off the walls with anger aclimDD.

None of this is helped by the fact that I am not there at the moment, I am about one and a half hours drive away.

She seems to be acting as if the place is hers. She walks from room to room, she rifles through draws and papers, she makes coffee, sits down and puts her feet up then , at days end, climbs into her car and goes home, back to her own house. This is obviously speculation, but when I was there last week it is exactly how she behaved. Thin, wasted, shaky and as I said, she has started to smoke.

She does seem to leave. She isn't staying constantly. It is almost like a job for her. She gets up in the morning, goes to my mothers and it all starts again. She stays until the evening and often her mates stay with her.

I have no doubt that she has some kind of obsession with my mother and my mother's house.

Honestly, if I could get her out I would and I will write to the executor next.

OP posts:
mathanxiety · 14/08/2023 18:11

Since she does leave of her own volition, it will be easy for you to occupy the house and get a locksmith immediately.

Take the time off work. Go to the house. Park your car where you can see her leaving. When she's in her own house, go into your mother's house immediately. Bar the doors, call a locksmith.

Busubaba · 14/08/2023 18:13

missmartha · 14/08/2023 18:05

My husband is bouncing off the walls with anger aclimDD.

None of this is helped by the fact that I am not there at the moment, I am about one and a half hours drive away.

She seems to be acting as if the place is hers. She walks from room to room, she rifles through draws and papers, she makes coffee, sits down and puts her feet up then , at days end, climbs into her car and goes home, back to her own house. This is obviously speculation, but when I was there last week it is exactly how she behaved. Thin, wasted, shaky and as I said, she has started to smoke.

She does seem to leave. She isn't staying constantly. It is almost like a job for her. She gets up in the morning, goes to my mothers and it all starts again. She stays until the evening and often her mates stay with her.

I have no doubt that she has some kind of obsession with my mother and my mother's house.

Honestly, if I could get her out I would and I will write to the executor next.

I have the rage on your behalf.

I would have no problem manhandling her out of the house by the scruff of her neck.

jolaylasofia · 14/08/2023 18:15

missmartha · 14/08/2023 18:05

My husband is bouncing off the walls with anger aclimDD.

None of this is helped by the fact that I am not there at the moment, I am about one and a half hours drive away.

She seems to be acting as if the place is hers. She walks from room to room, she rifles through draws and papers, she makes coffee, sits down and puts her feet up then , at days end, climbs into her car and goes home, back to her own house. This is obviously speculation, but when I was there last week it is exactly how she behaved. Thin, wasted, shaky and as I said, she has started to smoke.

She does seem to leave. She isn't staying constantly. It is almost like a job for her. She gets up in the morning, goes to my mothers and it all starts again. She stays until the evening and often her mates stay with her.

I have no doubt that she has some kind of obsession with my mother and my mother's house.

Honestly, if I could get her out I would and I will write to the executor next.

she is using your mothers electricity, gas and water that will have to be paid for too

BibbityBobbety · 14/08/2023 18:19

Why does her health matter?? She's a woman who has taken over your mums house without her consent (unless your mum explicitly told you or the executor or put it in her will). She's clearing up YOUR family memorabilia that may have sentimental value to you or your family/children - it's going to end up on eBay or this woman's house.

She's this bold and has the audacity because she's got the measure of you. You're too polite, too concerned about her welfare and too nervous to challenge/fight her... find your anger and talk to the executor/solicitors and get the locks changed. She has no right to be in that property unless sanctioned by the executor.

MMAMPWGHAP · 14/08/2023 18:27

Executor needs to send someone in during the funeral

Wheresthebloomingsummersunshine · 14/08/2023 18:32

Call me cynical but her being in the house with her attitude towards going through your mothers papers means she's probably very effectively covering up her interference in your mothers finances. Do you have any idea what papers she might have removed from the house or what access she has to your mum's admin? Your passiveness in all this may perhaps be due to shock/grief but you need to act with regard to access to the house and registering the death.

90 mins away is nothing. You (and your DH if you need support) need to get over there, get the locks changed and give the new key to the solicitors/executors. Email them and let them know this.

Redshoeblueshoe · 14/08/2023 18:34

This is horrific. I hope you can get something sorted soon.

Confusinglyconfused · 14/08/2023 18:36

Next time you're round send her off on an errand, like a trip to the florists for the funeral, then get the locksmiths in.

She is not your responsibility.

alexdgr8 · 14/08/2023 18:41

have you made appt to register the death.

Busubaba · 14/08/2023 18:54

If she had mates that are going round the house, she has spun them a pack of lies or they are also up to no good along with her.

If anything does go missing them how many of her chums will there be to point the finger at?

The funeral hasn't even taken place and yet a group of them are going round your mothers house and are 'hanging out' there.

That is very worrying.

Guiltypleasures001 · 14/08/2023 18:55

Can you get another key cut
Hi round there when she's out and leave the key in the lock?

Whyemseeaye · 14/08/2023 19:05

mathanxiety · 14/08/2023 18:11

Since she does leave of her own volition, it will be easy for you to occupy the house and get a locksmith immediately.

Take the time off work. Go to the house. Park your car where you can see her leaving. When she's in her own house, go into your mother's house immediately. Bar the doors, call a locksmith.

Exactly this! I'd be staking the place out. I would also be TELLING the executor to get their finger out and do something.

Mentally ill my arse! This woman and her intentions seem very nefarious

BreatheAndFocus · 14/08/2023 19:07

You’re being too passive, OP. Just get the locks changed! What do you think is going to happen? You won’t get in trouble. You’re securing your mother’s house and estate.

Forget what’s wrong with this woman, focus on sorting your mother’s estate. I know it must be hard but tap in to your determination with a bit of ruthlessness. Sometimes we have to push ourselves and act in ways we wouldn’t normally if the circumstances demand it. These do. You have no idea what this woman is taking or hiding or giving away. She shouldn’t be there. You or your DH will have to step up and stop her. She only laughed at you because she thinks you’re weak. She’s walking all over you. Put a stop to this stress and then you can forget her and grieve in peace 💐

GrannyAchingsShepherdsHut · 14/08/2023 19:08

If you know she leaves every evening then thats the time to call a locksmith and have the locks changed.

At this point I'd be ignoring that it should be the executors job, as they seem to be doing sweet FA.

At the end of the day it is your inheritance that she's rifling through and disposing of.

Its entirely legal by the way to remove her by force. If you tell a trespasser to leave and they don't you can remove them using the minimum force necessary. Your DH should just frogmarch her outside while you lock the door from the inside.

Who inherits any money or financial assets btw? It definitely sounds like she's either stealing now, or covering up a previous theft. Charities are ruthless when it comes to getting bequests they've been left. They have in house lawyers and will sue anyone they think has deprived them of something.

I don't want to panic you on top of everything else, but you seem really passive to an outsider - I get the impression you don't particularly want any of the contents you've been left, which is understandable - I'm concerned that if she has stolen, especially something that should have gone to a charity, then your passivity could be interpreted as being complicit. And that's the last thing you'll want to be dealing with.

Have you now confirmed that she hasn't secretly registered the death?

Confusinglyconfused · 14/08/2023 19:16

GrannyAchingsShepherdsHut · 14/08/2023 19:08

If you know she leaves every evening then thats the time to call a locksmith and have the locks changed.

At this point I'd be ignoring that it should be the executors job, as they seem to be doing sweet FA.

At the end of the day it is your inheritance that she's rifling through and disposing of.

Its entirely legal by the way to remove her by force. If you tell a trespasser to leave and they don't you can remove them using the minimum force necessary. Your DH should just frogmarch her outside while you lock the door from the inside.

Who inherits any money or financial assets btw? It definitely sounds like she's either stealing now, or covering up a previous theft. Charities are ruthless when it comes to getting bequests they've been left. They have in house lawyers and will sue anyone they think has deprived them of something.

I don't want to panic you on top of everything else, but you seem really passive to an outsider - I get the impression you don't particularly want any of the contents you've been left, which is understandable - I'm concerned that if she has stolen, especially something that should have gone to a charity, then your passivity could be interpreted as being complicit. And that's the last thing you'll want to be dealing with.

Have you now confirmed that she hasn't secretly registered the death?

This. At best she's a dotty old lady who is lost (unlikely) at worst she's cuckooed your poor mum and is concealing the evidence.

https://www.oxford.gov.uk/info/20101/community_safety/1308/cuckooing#:~:text=Cuckooing%20is%20a%20practice%20where,the%20property%20to%20sex%20work

What is cuckooing | Cuckooing | Oxford City Council

Cuckooing

https://www.oxford.gov.uk/info/20101/community_safety/1308/cuckooing#:~:text=Cuckooing%20is%20a%20practice%20where,the%20property%20to%20sex%20work

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