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How do British Parents feel about...

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TooBigForMyBoots · 09/08/2023 19:13

...the Brexit vote, given how it has disadvantaged those children without dual nationality?

I'm from NI, so very fortunate that mine still have FOM. I'd be raging if anyone took that away from them.

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LadyWithLapdog · 09/08/2023 20:44

FFS you can worry about more than one thing at once, Margate and the Dordogne.

LadyWithLapdog · 09/08/2023 20:46

(I’ve never been to Margate, it might be nice, just first that came to mind.)

Comedycook · 09/08/2023 20:46

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 09/08/2023 20:41

Thousands of children homeless in the U.K., people struggling to feed their children, childcare costs through the roof…but yes I worry about Edwin not being able to study in the Dordogne!

😂

calmcoco · 09/08/2023 20:46

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 09/08/2023 20:41

Thousands of children homeless in the U.K., people struggling to feed their children, childcare costs through the roof…but yes I worry about Edwin not being able to study in the Dordogne!

This is a foolish way to look at it.

Brexit has made us all poorer in the UK AND made it harder to emigrate for opportunities.

Noicant · 09/08/2023 20:47

Doesn’t really, I moved abroad to a non EU country, I know expats from all over, asia (east, south etc) the middle east, european, the americas. It’s a big world out there. There are obviously benefits to staying in the EU but I don’t really see that as significant, simply because I know so many people who aren’t living in the countries in which they were born who then migrate to third countries but didn’t use FOM to do it.

I like to think DD will be able to access opportunities because she will be skilled.

fullbloom87 · 09/08/2023 20:47

It was Kind of like a middle finger up to the most privileged in society

calmcoco · 09/08/2023 20:48

Comedycook · 09/08/2023 20:37

No I'm not especially privileged or well off. Most wc kids aren't heading off to study/work in Europe, freedom of movement or not.

This prejudice against WC young people really pisses me off. They are allowed to want to get on in life as well, no need for Brexit voters to trap them in the UK.

calmcoco · 09/08/2023 20:49

fullbloom87 · 09/08/2023 20:47

It was Kind of like a middle finger up to the most privileged in society

Lots of the most privileged voted for Brexit.

Wealthy pensioners voted to trap their grandchildren in the UK.

Exasperatednow · 09/08/2023 20:51

Really pissed off.

My dbro went away to work and never came home. It was hard for my dmum. My dd is planning to work in Europe if she can get sponsored. It will be much harder and I think the likely outcome is she will now permanently leave rather than go and have a flexible approach. I suspect ds will do the same.

Noicant · 09/08/2023 20:51

They aren’t trapped, thats a bit hyperbolic isn’t it. They can move, they just need to apply for a visa, millions of people across the world do it already, before and after brexit. WC doesn’t mean uneducated or unskilled either 🙄

fullbloom87 · 09/08/2023 20:52

@HotPringles

We didn't leave the continent silly.

MrsTerryPratchett · 09/08/2023 20:56

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 09/08/2023 20:41

Thousands of children homeless in the U.K., people struggling to feed their children, childcare costs through the roof…but yes I worry about Edwin not being able to study in the Dordogne!

I've worked my whole life, several decades in social care and housing, trying to stop people struggle with housing and homelessness.

I also think Brexit is shit. And yes, my kid at 12 would love to travel, maybe study, and work abroad in the future. Just like her grandparents travelled for work. From poverty-stricken towns with no prospects (her great grandmothers were both single mums as well).

I assume all the people who think it's about privilege are English. Because everyone else in the UK and Ireland have travelled for work for hundreds of years.

fullbloom87 · 09/08/2023 20:56

@calmcoco

I doubt that. It was a fuck you to years of mass immigration. It was basically a referendum on Tony Blair's decisions and they didn't think if the consequences they just wanted to make a point.

Comedycook · 09/08/2023 20:57

calmcoco · 09/08/2023 20:48

This prejudice against WC young people really pisses me off. They are allowed to want to get on in life as well, no need for Brexit voters to trap them in the UK.

Oh come off it. Whinging that Rupert and Caroline can't go to uni or do an internship in Europe is what this is about....don't dress it up as caring about WC kids.

The middle classes didn't give a tiny shit when WC tradesmen and other workers were being undercut by cheap labour from the EU.

Frazzledatfifty · 09/08/2023 20:57

They are absolutely still European… all British passport holders are… we left the EU, not Europe… Haven’t changed continent…

pinkhousesarebest · 09/08/2023 20:58

I know where I work ( in an EU country), we will lean towards someone with an EU passport now rather than complicate things with a British passport holder. So the same opportunités are no longer there.

Comedycook · 09/08/2023 21:00

MrsTerryPratchett · 09/08/2023 20:56

I've worked my whole life, several decades in social care and housing, trying to stop people struggle with housing and homelessness.

I also think Brexit is shit. And yes, my kid at 12 would love to travel, maybe study, and work abroad in the future. Just like her grandparents travelled for work. From poverty-stricken towns with no prospects (her great grandmothers were both single mums as well).

I assume all the people who think it's about privilege are English. Because everyone else in the UK and Ireland have travelled for work for hundreds of years.

I voted leave but I'm.not anti immigration...I'm not even anti freedom of movement. I just don't believe freedom of movement can work unless the economies of two countries are on a par with each other.

fullbloom87 · 09/08/2023 21:01

@pinkhousesarebest

Good because we need people to work here as displacement is no good for the country.

MrsTerryPratchett · 09/08/2023 21:02

The middle classes didn't give a tiny shit when WC tradesmen and other workers were being undercut by cheap labour from the EU.

IME the labour wasn't cheap but they did turn up on time, actually do the job, and not make that expensive sucky-in noise to indicate you were about to be taken for a mug. After the work should already have been finished.

But maybe that's just me.

Exasperatednow · 09/08/2023 21:03

Noicant · 09/08/2023 20:51

They aren’t trapped, thats a bit hyperbolic isn’t it. They can move, they just need to apply for a visa, millions of people across the world do it already, before and after brexit. WC doesn’t mean uneducated or unskilled either 🙄

Imagine you are an European company based in France.
You advertise a rile and you have 4 candidates. 3 people from eu countries and 1 from the UK. For the UK person you will have to jump through multiple hoops. Would you bother or would you shortlist the other 3?

Now imagine you are a US firm based in New York. You want to start building your European bae and are advertising for someone to lead that. Two people apply. One british, one French. The British person has limitation to the work they can fo in EU countries including number of days. The French person doesn't. Who would you employ?

And not even thinking about the benefits we got from people building their careers and companies basing themselves in the UK as we were seen as the gateway to Europe. Now we're just an island

Exasperatednow · 09/08/2023 21:05

Frazzledatfifty · 09/08/2023 20:57

They are absolutely still European… all British passport holders are… we left the EU, not Europe… Haven’t changed continent…

God that's a trite superficial statement.

fullbloom87 · 09/08/2023 21:05

@Comedycook

Get real. You obviously don't know any wc kids then. They want to be able to afford to live where they grew up, they want access to affordable housing that hadn't be taken by recent migrants from Europe.
The housing estate near me was meant to be for locals and was first planned out back in 2003, finally built in 2014 and is now full of families who came to England recently not the local families as promised.

Comedycook · 09/08/2023 21:06

MrsTerryPratchett · 09/08/2023 21:02

The middle classes didn't give a tiny shit when WC tradesmen and other workers were being undercut by cheap labour from the EU.

IME the labour wasn't cheap but they did turn up on time, actually do the job, and not make that expensive sucky-in noise to indicate you were about to be taken for a mug. After the work should already have been finished.

But maybe that's just me.

Utterly bizarre that you'd stereotype all British tradesman like this...yet if someone spoke like this about immigrants you'd be absolutely up in arms I'd imagine?

Comedycook · 09/08/2023 21:07

fullbloom87 · 09/08/2023 21:05

@Comedycook

Get real. You obviously don't know any wc kids then. They want to be able to afford to live where they grew up, they want access to affordable housing that hadn't be taken by recent migrants from Europe.
The housing estate near me was meant to be for locals and was first planned out back in 2003, finally built in 2014 and is now full of families who came to England recently not the local families as promised.

Your comment makes no sense. Did you mistake me for a different poster?

TooBigForMyBoots · 09/08/2023 21:07

Comedycook · 09/08/2023 20:37

No I'm not especially privileged or well off. Most wc kids aren't heading off to study/work in Europe, freedom of movement or not.

I did. So did a lot of my friends and family. From bar work, fruit picking, au-pairing, training as well as career stuff. All working class, all able to take advantage of FoM, be it for a single summer season or longer term.

I get that it's not for everyone but we all had the option. That's no longer the case. Now some UK citizens entering adulthood and employment have an advantage that other UK citizens don't. Because of Brexit.

Did you vote Leave @Comedycook?

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