How do British Parents feel about...

[TooBigForMyBoots]

...the Brexit vote, given how it has disadvantaged those children without dual nationality?

I'm from NI, so very fortunate that mine still have FOM. I'd be raging if anyone took that away from them.

@MrsTerryPratchett - same. If my grandfathers hadn't been able to move to England to get away from the poverty and dead end lives in mining they'd grown up with, their life (and ours) would have been very different.

Mobility is really important.

Yes you can if the bar wishes to keep you on. We work regularly in AMS.

Don't put words in my mouth.

I have no disdain for anyone. I'm merely saying that freedom of movement can only work when countries are on a similar playing field economically.

I’m enraged when I think of it. My children were born European citizens and had their birth right stripped from them by a bunch of thick racists.

Ideally those wishing to secure great careers need to think less about bar jobs in Europe and look to Asia.
Narrow thinking to imagine life begins and ends in the EU which is mostly in recession anyway.

I'm gutted about the whole thing. My DDs year abroad at uni was a logistical nightmare and she had to WFH for one of her placements! We have family in Europe and always thought we'd spend more time with them ie 5/6 months of the year as we reached retirement, again this is now much harder to sort out. We've really curtailed the opportunities available for our young people.

Yes I think it's very sad 😞

I don't agonise over it. The vote happened. We have to live with it.

It makes me feel at odds with what is obviously a large part of the zeitgeist in my own home. Yes I wish my son was growing up with hope and openness in this country. I hope he will even want to live overseas; there are still options for him and I don't want him to spend his whole life on this island.

I will admit that there are things about Brexit that are mildly comfortable for me. It makes me understand more why people voted that way, which is probably a good thing.

It's not something that crosses our minds as a family. DS has had 2 European trips this year, 3rd one coming up next Thursday and another one booked for late October.

DD has been on 3 European city breaks since March.

Both him and DD have benefitted from big wage rises. Thinking about it, this is due to FOM being stopped. So we cannot rage at all because they have benefitted (not just the children, but some of my wider family too).

Op is obviously looking for some cheap entertainment this evening 🙄

A friend of mine has tried to get a visa for 3 years.

We lived in Europe in our 20's and she wanted to return.

She cannot get one. She's self employed.

So she works 3 months there and comes back for 3.

Stupid really because then she pays U.K. taxes all year around and could have been paying in the country she spends half the year in if they have given her a visa.

Regularly? So not permanently or as a resident then.
If you work for more than 90 days you'll need a residency permit, which is not easy to get if you're non-EU.

How old are your DC?

Couldn't agree more.

I think calling people 'thick racists' is unhelpful to say the least.

The benefits of the EU did not appear to many to outweigh disadvantages.
No point having a benefit of moving abroad if you don't want to.
If you see non Brits moving into your area and you get the impression they are taking jobs or housing from locals then I can see why some people might not be happy.
If the EU had stayed as the EEC a trading block, rather than 'ever closer union' then maybe it would have stayed more popular.
If the pro remain campaign had had vocal backing of more political parties, maybe more people would have voted remain.

'Thick racists' is unhelpful.

They're still European citizens.

It's definitely on the list of pissed offs.

The UK is going to a fucking awful place for the next 50 years so we are encouraging ours to get educated and start their adult lives elsewhere.

(We can get them EU passports if need be) but it's not the only thing to be pissed off about

I'm pissed off I grew up being European, part of that union, and it's been taken from me. I still feel European but I'm not really anymore

Very disappointed. I think I can get them an Eu passport on the basis of an Irish grandmother. I will have to check.

You're right it is. I'd add lazy.

Because no one can take your job if you have qualifications, experience, a work ethic.

Now with less competition for labour I'd love to see how crucial industries stay afloat nevermind flourish. There's already a huge shortage of labour, if Brits wanted jobs so bad how come they're not all over these openings?

Yeah.

12/15

But remember our kids aren't necessarily stuck here...people emigrate all the time to different countries without freedom of movement. Yes it's harder and more hoops to jump through but it's not impossible.

I have to laugh at the idea that people ‘can just get a work visa to work in the EU’ and ‘go there as a tourist and search fur a job then’

I mean if you replace EU with UK ….
is there many people who’d be happy to have tourists coming here for 3 months to look for a job? Have you looked at how expensive it is to get a visa for the U.K.? How much it cost to be able to access tte NHS?

But somehow you think that Brits in the EU Wont get the same treatment (as it is other third countries btw)?!?
Why? Why do you think it’s easy to get a visa in the EU, it won’t cost anything, people will welcome you with open arms and it will all be perfect. All Wo speaking the language too maybe??

Sorry but the U.K. has left the EU.
Going to work there is going to be hard, much harder than most people ever imagine. Even ‘with a visa’

I don't personally have any feelings one way or the other because it isn't going to affect me in any way really. None of my immediate family members are likely to ever want to work or move overseas either.

Having said that, I do sympathise with anyone who is affected by it.

No they’re not.

If they are British, now they are only British. Not European anymore.

equally I don’t worry about the fact they can’t just go and work in America or Australia or Singapore or….etc without paperwork.

It's not 'paperwork'. It's meeting the sometimes very stringent entry criteria.

My whole family would look a lot different without the Scots/Irish/Jamaican/Pakistani/Polish diaspora (diasporae?). A lot shitter actually. And those same people who came to the UK have had kids who've gone to other countries.

It's a shame to make it more difficult.

My DC can't work outside the EU without paperwork either. They are fortunate enough to have FOM within the EU though.

I would never describe us as privileged. We are a lower working class, single parent family living in inner city UK. However my DC are privileged now, because Brexit took the privileges your children had away from them in a way that it hasn't done mine.