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How do British Parents feel about...

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TooBigForMyBoots · 09/08/2023 19:13

...the Brexit vote, given how it has disadvantaged those children without dual nationality?

I'm from NI, so very fortunate that mine still have FOM. I'd be raging if anyone took that away from them.

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Prescottdanni123 · 14/08/2023 07:59

While I voted against Brexit, this particular aspect doesn't bother me that much If my kids want to work outside of Europe, they are going to need paper work and visas as well.

And yes, visa requirements should be tightened in the UK as well. If people are going to come here and work - fine. If people are going to come here, work for a week and then apply for benefits - no. Same with travel insurance. It should be enforced/rules tightened up. I can't go abroad without travel insurance. No one should come on holiday to the UK without travel insurance.

Remembermynamealways · 14/08/2023 08:06

TeenDivided · 14/08/2023 07:45

The problem with the referendum, is that for such a major change they should either have insisted on 60-40 or 65-35 OR they should have said if slight majority in favour like we had, then a repeat referendum after say 3 years before proceeding.

I would feel the same re any referendum regarding other major things such as breaking up the union (see Scotland just wanting to keep trying to get just over 50%) or removing the monarchy.

Major change you say?

For 95% of the population they won’t have experienced anything like a major change, their lives continued as before.

They will have their usual two week holiday in the summer, if they are lucky a handful of city breaks and life will carry on exactly as before only now the government is held accountable. No one can blame the EU. We can make decisions collectively as a country that are in our best interests. Most companies have now adapted.

Literally nothing has changed for almost everyone.

Referendums are binding, that’s the whole point.

The majority of this country felt that the EU cost too much financially and democratically in the end. We are out. We are staying out and if you are still struggling with that after so many years, maybe you need to consider therapy or professional help of some kind? And that is said gently and kindly.

TeenDivided · 14/08/2023 08:48

@Remembermynamealways Referendums are binding, that’s the whole point.

Actually that's not the whole point. I don't even think that this referendum was actually binding legally, just the government agreed to follow it. You can have indicative votes.

It may not make a directly linkable impact on an individual's life but deciding whether we are in a trading & regulation & freedom of movement & monetary block is a big change regardless.

You have also read a lot into my post that isn't there.

Personally, although I voted remain, I think the 'remoaners' should stop going on about it and make the best of where we are. We can't turn back time. Furthermore even if there was a referendum tomorrow saying return we wouldn't return on the same deal we had before with all our opt outs, if they would even have us!

ItStopsHere · 14/08/2023 08:49

LadyWithLapdog · 10/08/2023 10:58

I recommend watching Auf Wiedersehen, Pet.

Yes, my Dad was living that life about the same time as that programme. He left school at 14, could read, write and drive anything with wheels, that was the extent of his education. We'd been homeless, but had just managed to get a council house, the money he earned abroad helped us get back on our feet and he saw a bit of the world.
The working classes have always travelled for work. Two of my cousins got engineering apprenticeships right out of school and spent time working in Germany.

TooBigForMyBoots · 14/08/2023 11:52

grass321 · 14/08/2023 07:10

This is the very reason debates on Brexit always die on MN. We 'fantasists' don't want to be insulted so choose not to engage.

No doubt some leave voters would have voted differently (and I know a few remain voters who've said they'd have voted differently too). But many of us, and that includes the leave voters I know, are happy with our vote. Given half of the country voted to leave, it's unlikely to be just a handful of fantasists remaining.

There was a thread last year on this topic which remains the only one I've seen on MN where both sides shared their views in a respectful way. As a result, it was a genuinely interesting and enjoyable debate.

The referendum was seven years ago. Perhaps it's time to stop the offensive comments tokenly dressed up as wanting a debate? MN has become somewhat of an echo chamber as far as Brexit is concerned.

If fantasists get insulted by being called out, they shouldn't spout fantastic lies demonstrating a loose grip on reality.🤷‍♀️

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TooBigForMyBoots · 14/08/2023 13:00

And while it's good that you and your Investment Banking mates are Alright Jack, what is good for investment bankers isn't always good for the rest of the UK. Trussterfuck Economics benefited some in the City but practically bankrupted the country.

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Remembermynamealways · 14/08/2023 14:13

TeenDivided · 14/08/2023 08:48

@Remembermynamealways Referendums are binding, that’s the whole point.

Actually that's not the whole point. I don't even think that this referendum was actually binding legally, just the government agreed to follow it. You can have indicative votes.

It may not make a directly linkable impact on an individual's life but deciding whether we are in a trading & regulation & freedom of movement & monetary block is a big change regardless.

You have also read a lot into my post that isn't there.

Personally, although I voted remain, I think the 'remoaners' should stop going on about it and make the best of where we are. We can't turn back time. Furthermore even if there was a referendum tomorrow saying return we wouldn't return on the same deal we had before with all our opt outs, if they would even have us!

Great so it’s settled. Let’s move on. Life is too short.

Remembermynamealways · 14/08/2023 14:13

TooBigForMyBoots · 14/08/2023 11:52

If fantasists get insulted by being called out, they shouldn't spout fantastic lies demonstrating a loose grip on reality.🤷‍♀️

This is now sounding positively unhinged. I feel sorry for you if this is not a wind up.

Remembermynamealways · 14/08/2023 14:17

TooBigForMyBoots · 14/08/2023 13:00

And while it's good that you and your Investment Banking mates are Alright Jack, what is good for investment bankers isn't always good for the rest of the UK. Trussterfuck Economics benefited some in the City but practically bankrupted the country.

Those nasty investment bankers are bankrolling the whole bloody country pretty much - most of the serious wealth generated is within a few miles of the Square Mile.

So yes you are damn right, we will be prioritising banking and finance because it’s one of few remaining industries that are keeping the country afloat!!! For heavens sake the economy depends on it. But don’t let the mere facts stop your hyperbole.

TooBigForMyBoots · 14/08/2023 14:27

Remembermynamealways · 14/08/2023 14:13

This is now sounding positively unhinged. I feel sorry for you if this is not a wind up.

Claiming that Apprenticeships are the same as young people having a funded year long holiday touring the most expensive parts of Europe is unhinged. Belief that a Labour government will cause a civil war that you will have to flee, is unhinged hyperbole.

The key to our country's success, security and prosperity is having various industries. Relying solely on banking, which is easily movable and has cost the UK tax payers a fortune in bailouts is stupid.

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TooBigForMyBoots · 14/08/2023 15:35

Workers in the City mostly voted Remain.

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Remembermynamealways · 14/08/2023 17:18

TooBigForMyBoots · 14/08/2023 15:35

Workers in the City mostly voted Remain.

Ridiculous, inaccurate, lazy assumption. The City are delighted to be free of EU bureaucracy!

Remembermynamealways · 14/08/2023 17:24

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TooBigForMyBoots · 14/08/2023 17:50

Remembermynamealways · 14/08/2023 17:18

Ridiculous, inaccurate, lazy assumption. The City are delighted to be free of EU bureaucracy!

Or fact as its known in the real world.😆😆😆
www.efinancialcareers.co.uk/news/2016/07/this-is-how-city-of-london-workers-voted-in

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Remembermynamealways · 14/08/2023 17:55

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TooBigForMyBoots · 14/08/2023 18:08

So would you describe yourself as a "typical" Brexiteer @Remembermynamealways?

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LittleBearPad · 14/08/2023 18:16

TooBigForMyBoots · 14/08/2023 18:08

So would you describe yourself as a "typical" Brexiteer @Remembermynamealways?

I think they are quite a good example. Bit brainless, with limited understanding of how most things work but likes a hollow sound bite

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TooBigForMyBoots · 14/08/2023 22:36

LittleBearPad · 14/08/2023 18:16

I think they are quite a good example. Bit brainless, with limited understanding of how most things work but likes a hollow sound bite

It's the aversion to facts that gives it away. I wonder if this is a new strain of Brexit that causes the victim to insult folk in a foreign language whenever a fact comes up?😂😂😂

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SgtPercyTwentyman · 14/08/2023 23:57

Totally indifferent. Both my children and now my grandchildren (and their friends) seem to prefer the idea of studying or working in the USA or Australia to doing either in the EU, and since I'm old enough to have travelled in Europe pre "freedom of movement", the loss of that is no real hardship.

I voted "remain" BTW.

SgtPercyTwentyman · 15/08/2023 00:00

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I have no dual nationality and certainly do NOT feel "held in captivity". There's more to the world than the EU. Certainly Brexit has made no difference at all to the amount of foreign travel my DW and I undertake each year.

LadyWithLapdog · 15/08/2023 09:59

The fact you or your DC or GDC prefer USA or Australia is neither here nor there. It still means it’s more difficult for those who wanted to work in Europe to do so. I find it an easy concept. Similar with travel. I’m sure the beaches of Spain and Greece are full of Brits this summer. But that’s not what we’re talking about.

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HermoineFairfax · 15/08/2023 21:08

OP, you mention yours have FOM, so what's the issue? Getting chippy with unperturbed Brits on Mumsnet will only raise your blood pressue. Life's too short, darling.