Go Greenpeace! THIS is how you do a climate change protest!

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/aug/03/greenpeace-protesters-drape-giant-oil-black-fabric-over-sunaks-mansion

Exactly - these new licences will NOT improve energy security for the UK as claimed, and will make the climate crisis worse.

What is the benefit for ordinary people and businesses that are not connected with the oil and gas industry?

If you are on this thread defending Sunak, why?

I’m not part of any protest. But as a business owner and parent I’ve been watching this play out from the sidelines and have written to my MP

The same government who put up barriers to trade with Europe in favour of trade deals with far flung places like Australia and the US is putting this forward as an argument 😂

Well that protest back fired, the government holds regular meetings and consultations with Greenpeace, they have all been cancelled from now on.

P.s. We are all talking about oil, but the licenses cover gas too, although I can't find the mix. Gas is probably the more important one in the medium term to produce locally.

What the hell? Reported.

”So….Sunak is a corrupt piece of shit. I’m pleased that his home was targeted, and if it gives his kids nightmares perhaps he will actually listen”

Aah such a shame @AIBot- all that effort to lecture others, and then you accidentally show yourself to be a massive twat with this piece of spite above. Must try harder.

Exactly. The innovations, research, knowledge, technology has been here for a very long time, but for some reason governments go for fossil fuels instead.

The problem Greenpeace has is the majority of people want lower energy bills - because they have real problems today!

So they try and impose their minority views on our democracy with illegal and/or dangerous protesters.

Doesn't that make them anarchists?

Please any Greenpeace readers of this pursue your cause through legal means.

Otherwise just read this thread and see - how just like with DEFRA - you are alienating yourselves.

What twats.

100% this.

This extreme form of protest is alienating people. Climate change protesters are increasingly being seen as dangerous and wasteful, they stop people getting to medical appointments, medics getting to work and wasting the time of police who could working on solving/preventing crimes instead of ungluing people from roads etc. And now they decide to frighten and target families with stupid wasteful stunts like fabric over Sunak's home.

Targeting politicians homes and families is not ok, that isn't fair civilised protest.

While I understand their frustration, and in many ways agree with their aims, these stunts have trivialised the issues.

There's growing resentment to green issues across Europe and you can see it happening in the UK in the last few weeks.

Greenpeace, JSO, XE, etc missed the opportunity to make real change through the legal democratic process.

I suspect, Labour hitching their horse to JSO will be a disaster for them at the next election.

If we stop oil and gas. We can’t get to work or heat our homes -or maybe some can on windy days.
Are people just thick- no planes, no diesel trains, no cars except electric ones. So no delivery lorries, no food in supermarkets, no tractors ploughing fields no milk delivery, no Amazon deliveries unless they are electric.

So only electric everything -how far will the wind turbine supplied electricity go if EVErything is electric.
so rationed heating and lighting and hospital care.

If someone could explain how our day to day life will happily work with a bit of electricity shared between 65 mill people and businesses THEN they can demand we stop oil.

People setting themselves as moral arbiters while performing morally dubious actions doesn't do it for me.

As I said on another post; the problem is that no one can come up with a truly workable solution to all these issues. The people who want no more oil/oil based products just cannot think it through. Do they really want no electricity for part/most of the day? With all that entails for jobs/hospitals etc?Or do they think that we can feed everyone when we have no means to transport food? We aren't Hobbits living in Middle Earth, most of us aren't capable of going hunting, or have acres of land to grow our own, or the time to do so. A few people living off grid can probably keep themselves ,but only because the rest of us are keeping wheels turning. In an emergency they still need technology with all that entails.

Um, this us patently untrue. There has been vast research into and development of alternatives to fossil fuel use for decades now. There are excellently researched options in almost any field you can imagine. Just look at architecture, construction, urban planning. Or agriculture. All these things have been developed, just the political will isn't there.

Why not simply look up the research and developments, rather than pretend they don't exist?! It's almost as if you desperately want there to be no hope, so desperately that you're inventing bizarre lies!

Here's an example, though no doubt there are more:

https://cat.org.uk/info-resources/zero-carbon-britain/research-reports/zero-carbon-britain-rising-to-the-climate-emergency/

Carbon capture is where it’s at even Margaret Thatcher recognised that in the 70’s

There is no means to do it on the scale required.

We need to limit carbon output and the way to do that is via renewables and storage technology for when the wind doesn't blow.

As gas is sold to the highest bidder, there is no benefit to the ordinary consumer on pricing, has NS oil meant the UK motorist has every paid low prices for fuel?

But on the protest, i find it quite incredible that the PMs home is left unguarded when he goes on Holiday, if only the terrorists had released how stupid our "world beating" intelligence services are.
Also doesn't look good for Sunak and other PMs that they never questioned it.

Why not simply look up the research and developments, rather than pretend they don't exist?! It's almost as if you desperately want there to be no hope, so desperately that you're inventing bizarre lies!

Why not post links, then? (and kindly don't come out with the 'do your own research' line). You clearly know what the research and developments are so please post a few.

I’m happy we are moving to a non carbon future -I have grandchildren
Look - I’m old -I’ve had my fun - I can easily survive without flights, using the bus instead of car, I’d have to downsize to heat a small house, I can grow veg .
and I get a pension.
but where is everyone going to make a living? that’s my main query. Britain runs on a service economy but if no one’s making or buying anything so no transfer of money how can that work?
Presumably no one is going to buy stuff or fashion, only vitals like food.
And plastics and fertiliser -how much is in your recycling plastics bin each week - you’ll have none of that if oil and gas go.

Id like to see a long term plan -Graphs to demonstrate wind solar production alongside gas oil reduction.
Jobs and income against the new jobs and incomes.

Not just just stop oil.

That’s very true. Manufacturing and steel is no longer what keeps our economy going, it’s finance and the service industry that keeps the UK going.
If everyone went completely green overnight we would stop existing.
I mean we wouldn’t even be using the power to charge our phones to go on Mumsnet would we ? I bet most people on here charge their phones using fossil fuels… just like Just Stop Oil do.

I mean we wouldn’t even be using the power to charge our phones to go on Mumsnet would we ? I bet most people on here charge their phones using fossil fuels… just like Just Stop Oil do.

Do you think in a green world that we won’t be able to use electricity? 😂 It’s actually easy to charge your phone using green electricity. Just switch to a green energy provider. You could of course, put Solar panels on your roof, or get a solar phone charger, but solutions that are cheaper to fund exist.