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Angry Shouty Parents Anonymous

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Fuckingmentalme · 18/07/2023 08:57

Are you an angry shouty parent?
Are you constantly wound up?
Are you on the edge?
Do any unexpected noises that your children emit leave you twitching? Did you fail to produce perfect children who follow you like ducklings when you're out and about? Do they instead tumble out of the car shrieking war cries? Do they shriek a lot? Do they laugh in libraries? Do you have a large living room with plenty of space yet the children choose to sit practically on top of each other to do any activity and then each claim the other is annoying them?Do they ask you endless hypothetical questions? Do they repeat your answers driving you to the brink of insanity? Do they fight constantly?

If so then I do not have the answer but I am sick* of being angry and shouty. It makes me feel unwell. I want to stop today. *I'm inviting other ASPs to join me who also wish to stop. We can check in on each other and generally be nice and supportive.

I plan to separate or distract as soon as bickering or shrieking occurs. That's my plan. That's it. Wish me luck

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Fuckingmentalme · 24/07/2023 21:55

User68253 · 24/07/2023 18:32

Oh, I've found my people! Thank you for opening up and starting this. I am also a daily shouter. Currently I'm trying a self help method that I have heard about for years but have never tried, not only is it supposed to help you be more patient, rational and calm but also had lots of health benefits like not dying prematurely of a heart attack, cancer and diabetes! It's called... wait for it... sleeping for at least 7.5 hours a night. I've managed to keep it up for nearly a week now and it's definitely helping.

But seriously, I'm a chronic sleep procrastinator because I am so highly stressed out by my fighting, incessant noise makers that I find myself staying up into the early hours to recover alone and in quiet. Many people have recommended the book Why We Sleep upon hearing how little sleep I get, and I finally started it and have acted upon it's threatening words. The description of someone who is not getting enough sleep as someone who was easily irritated/struggled to regulate emotions was an eye opener.

It really does make a difference!

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BertieBotts · 24/07/2023 22:39

Yes, I need a new perspective or something on the endless questions because we are very much in this phase now and after a few of them it just makes my brain melt. Often he is asking the same things that he asks every day and I don't know the answers, or I've explained it before but he didn't really want to know the answer so he asks it again anyway. Actually I think I did find an explanation for this once, it's something to do with that they want to have conversations, because they understand that is something that people do with each other to connect socially, but they don't really understand how conversations work yet. So when they are doing that endless stream of questions thing they are actually saying "please talk to me" but they don't really mind what the topic is, and they will generally accept if you change the subject. I will try this tomorrow. However I guess that it probably happens when I am already at my social limit and don't want to talk any more which is probably why he does that. Hmm. I'll try and observe and feed back.

I don't mean this kind of thing though, because when he's asking questions he's generally quite happy and calm. I mean more stuff like when they ask for toast and you make it and they turn into a whiny dictator and start screaming "NO, I DID NOT WANT IT WARM!!" because they actually wanted bread, but they use the word toast to refer to bread, and I forgot in that moment and it is so so unreasonable of him to scream at me for not reading his mind that I get cross and do something like put the toast down more forcefully than I would normally and say "But you said you wanted toast! Stop whining about it, it's fine! Can you just eat it?" Which obviously doesn't help him calm down about the broken expectation. And then sometimes if there is more bread and he won't stop making the noise I just say fuck it whatever and make more, because it makes the screaming stop. But I think that's technically giving into a tantrum, and I'm just exhausted by remembering what I'm supposed to do in that situation where my brain is acting like there's a fire and I need to panic and put it out any possible way.

Or when he's getting annoyed with the toddler getting his toy, so he instantly goes in with "NNNNHHHHHGGHHHH" noise and violence, and instead of going up to them and saying in a Janet Lansbury voice "Oh, it seems like there is a problem. What's happening?" I storm up to both of them, or even worse, from across the room I just yell and go "STOP IT! LEAVE HIM ALONE!" And start threatening to take him to his room.

Actually I did the nice "hmm, seems like there's a problem" thing today, and it did work fairly well. Maybe the medication was helping. But most days I just hear that tone and react with the same tone because it's like my body thinks it's an emergency and I must make him stop instantly.

I think with the questions, what sometimes happens is that I say something that wasn't really aimed at him, but he wants to know what I said/what something means and when I explain he doesn't understand so he asks again and I say it doesn't matter, but then he'll push and push and push me to answer this question even though neither of us care about the answer, he starts to veer into the high pitched desperate tone and it tips me into the desperate high pitched tone too.

Oh I do find this age so trying 😬 DS1 was in this stage until he was about 7! I've got to get some better strategies to manage my flashpoints. I do think some things will get a bit easier over the next few months as I can already see him starting to play with and talk to DS3, and we're trying to encourage/coach this because I get a bit burnt out being their only companion/entertainer/as well as everything else.

Fuckingmentalme · 25/07/2023 07:25

@BertieBotts
I think with the questions, what sometimes happens is that I say something that wasn't really aimed at him, but he wants to know what I said/what something means and when I explain he doesn't understand so he asks again and I say it doesn't matter, but then he'll push and push and push me to answer this question even though neither of us care about the answer, he starts to veer into the high pitched desperate tone and it tips me into the desperate high pitched tone too.

My eldest does this. I don't know if I'm handling it properly but I say "Daddy and I were having a grown-up conversation and it doesn't concern you."

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Eleganteel · 25/07/2023 21:07

I have been reading this thread for a while as a lot of it resonates with me, although I do think in the past 6 months I have made big improvements but definitely still days I am less proud of. I've never really been a big shouter but definitely was far too exasperated and inpatient especially previously. I haven't really contributed too much so far, as I do tend to be more of a lurker!

But this thing you and @BertieBotts mention about always wanting to know what we're talking about is something that is so familiar to me! Just as an example the other day there were some road works near us so me and my husband were having a (highly exciting!) conversation about the best route to take my younger DS to nursery, but my 6 year old DD kept interrupting and asking what we were saying. In the past I definitely would have kept trying to explain to her and then lost patience and snapped. My approach now is more saying "It isn't important or interesting for you. Please could you let mummy and daddy finish their chat." It feels a bit mean in a way and shutting down her curiosity but it helps me be more patient and I don't think she really cares, just asking for the sake of it.

DomesticElf · 27/07/2023 20:57

How is everyone doing?

ISaySteadyOn · 27/07/2023 21:04

Not too bad actually. Lack of school run helps

noglow · 27/07/2023 21:13

Doing ok today thank you. Really appreciate this thread

DomesticElf · 27/07/2023 21:32

I've been doing well here too. This thread has definitely made a difference.
I am having a planned C section next week on Wednesday, and I am really hoping the wheels won't come off the wagon so to speak.

LoudestRoar · 27/07/2023 22:10

Just wanted to post and join in please? I was honestly about to start a thread about how I fear I'm psychologically damaging my kids, as I get very shouty. Coming off my anxiety meds (although good for me in the long run!) Isn't helping.
My main trigger is not being listened to. And because it happens several times a day, I have a low amount of patience, which escalates things, which doesn't help!

BertieBotts · 28/07/2023 07:40

I am doing OK, there have definitely been a few moments but nothing has stood out.

Interestingly I started reading The Book You Wish Your Parents Had Read last night. I bought it a while ago and didn't get into it but but I have now. I was rolling my eyes at some of it a bit as the author is a therapist and there was some "everything has a deeper meaning" stuff which I don't think is always the case, but then she said something like the time where you want to pull away from your child the most is often correlated to the time that you felt abandoned/not seen/not listened to (etc) as a child. I was about to dismiss this, and then I realised that the age I really struggle with, way more than any other stage (so far) is the later end of 3, certainly 3.5+ to about 6/7 and when I think back, that's the 2-3 years in my life which led up to my parents' divorce Shock so, er, probably the time that they were more preoccupied with other things than me then.

I have always always always maintained that this didn't affect me. And I don't think it largely has. But there's got to be something in that connection, that's too weird!

Not that it is of much use to work out what I am supposed to do about it! Maybe the next bit of the book will explain that Grin but interesting all the same.

TeddyFluff · 28/07/2023 14:28

Well I’ve lost it every day this week, culminating in me leaving the house today (DH in charge) and not coming back for a few hours. Came back feeling recharged and good to go, only for DH to trigger me (I feel on purpose) so I lost my actual mind, I think the entire street heard me erupt, kids ended up upstairs crying in fear and I’m spoiling for divorce. So. It’s going well in my house.

Windercar · 28/07/2023 16:14

kids ended up upstairs crying in fear

What’s your plan as this sounds an abusive situation for the kids. If you don’t feel you can keep them safe, can you go somewhere else?

noglow · 28/07/2023 16:24

LoudestRoar · 27/07/2023 22:10

Just wanted to post and join in please? I was honestly about to start a thread about how I fear I'm psychologically damaging my kids, as I get very shouty. Coming off my anxiety meds (although good for me in the long run!) Isn't helping.
My main trigger is not being listened to. And because it happens several times a day, I have a low amount of patience, which escalates things, which doesn't help!

It's great you recognise the problem. Yes I find that triggering too. When I feel I might as well not even be there

noglow · 28/07/2023 16:26

TeddyFluff · 28/07/2023 14:28

Well I’ve lost it every day this week, culminating in me leaving the house today (DH in charge) and not coming back for a few hours. Came back feeling recharged and good to go, only for DH to trigger me (I feel on purpose) so I lost my actual mind, I think the entire street heard me erupt, kids ended up upstairs crying in fear and I’m spoiling for divorce. So. It’s going well in my house.

That sounds tough. Do you think he's provoking you often? What's his end game?

TeddyFluff · 28/07/2023 16:39

@noglow No, it’s very rare we end up in an argument like that, I can’t remember the last time - absolutely years. And then absolutely heard before that. He was in a mood about something else and rather than deal with that just decided to prod me instead. I’m not usually in a place where I can be prodded, it’s just been a really rough few weeks for various reasons.

and @Windercar do behave. Abusive? My husband and I had a loud argument once where the kids heard it. It understandably frightened them because it’s not something they’re used to. It’s not bloody abusive ffs 🙄

TeddyFluff · 28/07/2023 16:41

Absolutely years before that*

Windercar · 28/07/2023 19:02

Sorry I’d class kids hiding and crying in fear as abusive. Fear means they were terrified of you does it not? You’ve said you’ve ‘lost it every day this week’ If this was a man everyone would be saying to leave the house immediately. I’m not trying to be mean I’m saying you need a plan for managing this

TeddyFluff · 28/07/2023 20:44

🤣 I think your version of losing it and my version of losing it are different. My version of losing it is to raise my voice, what’s yours?

of course they were scared! Mummy and daddy were shouting at eachother which they never do.

Mumsnet is literally the only place I’ve ever come across that throws the word abusive around.

DomesticElf · 28/07/2023 21:52

@TeddyFluff sounds like you had a day and a half. On the up side, it will most certainly be better tomorrow! Sending 🍷 and strength.
Anything that's not a serene calm of logic is classed as abuse on MN

@BertieBotts that's an interesting statement re triggers. I will need to ponder on it.
On a related subject, turning into my mother when it comes to parenting would be my worst nightmare.

Problemcat · 29/07/2023 00:26

@TeddyFluff so have you ‘lost it every day’ and your ‘children are crying in fear’ or is it that ‘mummy and daddy never argue’? There’s quite a difference.

I’m not judging you (as perhaps others have) parenting is hard but this doesn’t sound a great situation. Do you have real life support?

DomesticElf · 31/07/2023 21:09

I can't remember where I've read it, but apparently in a day aiming for at least 80% positive to max 20% negative interactions is a good strategy even if one does have to spend the day using batman voice more often than normal. On the days when I am just that much lower on patience, I do try to up the positive things they are doing/cuddles/kisses to make sure they get their fill of positive interactions. I am hoping it's working.

ISaySteadyOn · 01/08/2023 07:14

We are away and I have discovered, to my delight, that mine are more outdoorsy than I thought. And as a result, I do not shout. I have had to reprimand occasionally sure but no shouting. I am feeling very glad of this.

Fuckingmentalme · 01/08/2023 09:14

ISaySteadyOn · 01/08/2023 07:14

We are away and I have discovered, to my delight, that mine are more outdoorsy than I thought. And as a result, I do not shout. I have had to reprimand occasionally sure but no shouting. I am feeling very glad of this.

Hurrah wishing you a good day.

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DomesticElf · 01/08/2023 10:05

I need to invest in better rain gear, to make the most of outdoors.

AnneAnon · 01/08/2023 10:11

My people 😭

trying so hard. We are like four weeks into the school holidays here, the weather is atrocious most of the time, I have a really stressful and busy job and they won’t stop fucking fighting and they simply will not sleep.

I am really trying. But gentle approaches don’t work. I’m so tired of everything being a constant battle.

“9 could you please get in the shower?”
”in a minute”
”I’ve waited ten minutes. It’s time for your shower”
”I’m doing this”
”I asked you to tidy that up and get into the shower. Could you do it please?”
”no I don’t want to go for a shower”

this is every single fucking time.