Omg I had enough

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May Need to scan my other threads for this to make sense.

So there is a social worker involved due to my sons violence/aggression.

It has been said there are no worries about my other children although I did allow social worker to talk to the younger kids . And the school. They have no concern.

Now I just had the social worker email me about an hour ago . Asking me about my younger kids Jabs . Questioning me why I have not had them done and telling me i have a week to sort it. Now by law I don't have to have them done and as a parent I don't have to . But yet there they trying to force it .

To be honest I don't feel overly strong either way. I can't even remember why I did not. I had Been in temporary accommodation and then covid etc so possibly slipped my mind. So it's not the end of the world for me to sort it. What I don't like is the demands of doing it by next week. And the over the top interference of my children. When its Been agreed thus is about my 16 year old.

When we had TAC meeting a few days ago my younger children were not even mentioned. It's like they never existed.

I honestly have enough to cope with

Anyway if there are any social workers here or who l lws the system can you please explain this to me?

Just to add this is not a jab debate and I will ignore any attempts to turn it into one.

Some people feel very strongly for or against vaccination. It's possible your social worker feels very strongly for vaccination and is pushing it from a place of personal opinion rather than because she has any power to make you 'sort it in a week'. I don't have all the information the social worker has obviously, and that might change my response. In my own experience, if I was concerned about an issue like this, I'd refer this sort of thing to a community health nurse because I'd know it's not my scope of practice. General medical neglect could be. That's why the GP or health nurse or whoever is relevant could be contacted to establish whether there has been connection and appropriate care given.

So my question is can a social worker force a parent to have Jabs .

the answer is no, @Ds16dv they can't.

However, there are clearly people with some knowledge on this thread. Including
@bagforlifeamnesty
@pimplebum
@Bluevelvetsofa
@Icedlatteplease
@bellac11
@DustyLee123

(Apologies if I've missed anyone out.) These posters understand what they're talking about. I know this because I also know this area. Personally, I'm not a SW, but am someone who regularly sits in on TAC/TAF/CG meetings, plus strats and case conferences.
So, @Ds16dv I strongly recommend you read and take on board their posts and hear what theyre saying to you.

And also think of it this way....
The authorities have a plan which they're working through with you. They want to be able to sign you off/step down. And they can't do that while the plan is not being complied with/worked through/completed.
The faster you get through it, the more they'll step back

This really isn’t about a social worker meddling and forcing a parent to vaccinate their children against their will.

They are trying to build a picture of your home life and how stable it is, whether you take care of all their needs etc.

I don't believe that all of your children have never ever been ill.

Several of us have already answered that, you cannot be forced under a CHIN or CP plan

Should the LA obtain an interim care order for the children then they will acquire PR shared with you and the court could override your decision but as you say, the children are not in pre proceedings so that is unlikely at this point

But as others have said the LA will be concerned that your parenting of your younger ones does not result in similar problems occuring later in the same way as for your older boy. Its a very common pattern, each child in succession coming late into care when they are teens.

I have never been in temporary accommodation, in fact I have lived in the same house for 42 years now, but even I can understand that not everyone has photo ID, GPS strike you off their list if you move out of their area, add to that a 16 year old kicking off and needing social services intervention, and it is clear that OP is in quite a stressful situation, which is not being helped by a social worker making time limited demands about vaccinations for 2 younger children. It must be taking all her energy to ensure they get to school each day.
Talk of the children being removed and forcibly vaccinated, because of 'red flags' is not helpful.
I would get them vaccinated as soon as you can OP, because it will be one less thing to worry about. Try not to let your justifiable annoyance show to the social worker, smile and nod, keep going and life will settle sooner or later. A less strong minded person would have collapsed under all this, you are doing well.

In today’s Times there’s an article about a measles epidemic looming - cases have recently rocketed. And measles can be very serious - pneumonia, meningitis, blindness.

So whatever the other issues, OP, do please get your children vaccinated - I’m sure you wouldn’t want to be thinking ‘If only…!’ at some point down the line.

If I were in your shoes I would reframe this as help, not interference. If you are having problems registering with a GP or with ID then ask the social workers for help.

It’s a bit naive to thing that SWers wouldn’t look at the family as a whole when intervening with one child. And I think that’s best practice. You sound like you are under a lot of stress that’s causing you to be defensive but in the long run it will be better to get on and do the things you need to do than hyper focusing on your legal rights.

Best of luck to you.

@Ds16dv

"I know the interference is just pissing me of especially 9.41pm on a Friday night. I did actually lay in bed last nigjt night and fill in 3 registration forms . I did not knlwbwgay to do abot I'd so I just done a copy of my gas bill. So I don't know what will happen. But I have proof via email that I have done it. I started falling asleep so I will di the others on a short while ".*

Sounds good.* Keep going with it until it is all done and don't put it off longer than you need to. *

All best.*

Thank you so much for this . And fully understanding . I (know) my kids are not being taken away . I don't vlnlw what to say slightly over whelmed that somone actually gets it. Thank you 💐

Right. Children don't need to see a gp for chicken pox . Unless there's complications. And they could still get access via 111 or a medical center even A&E if needed. They also don't Need to be seem over a general tummy bug

No one can force you to have your kids vaccinated- however it implies they are concerned about other factors hence the email

• if you live in London the increase in measles cases is an issue
• the fact you do not have access to a GP or health visitor (as you say your children have never needed them) - is worrying.

more generally they will be looking at

• your oldest son and his behaviour
• your other children's wellbeing and the risk your oldest poses
• how well you are able to meet all your children’s needs and protect them accordingly.

If your child is on a CIN or CP plan then the SW will be able to ask you to get the jabs done and if you don’t that would be raised as an issue/ point for discussion at your next family meeting.

Overall vaccines can be seen by social care as part of that safety plan for your children.

If you did have actual objections to vaccinations id imagine they d just remind you about rise in cases etc to put it on your radar.
The opposite is actually true. Parents with strong objections aren’t worth trying to persuade to go so they’re unlikely to be reminded. Not worth the cost. But there’s a significant cohort of the “I never got round to it” demographic who are worth tracking down. God knows why they make it so difficult. OP sounds like she’d take her kids this afternoon if she could just walk in somewhere.

No, OP, no law to say your kids need to be jabbed. And this social worker sounds horrible!

You are clearly overwhelmed so just prioritise what this poster has said.
@queenMab99 this was a helpful empathetic post that hopefully will help OP

I was just about to type the same when I saw this post.
OP it sounds like a really stressful time for you, and the last thing you need is a difficult social worker. If you've already spoken to her manager and the manager was fine with what you are doing then dont worry - no she can't force you to get jabs with a time limit.
But also given that you seem to have a difficult SW, dont give them any ammunition. It's not surprising you've got behind on things like jabs with so much going on but show them you are sorting it.
I try to do one thing of 'life admin' each day so eg today I will do the other 2 GP forms, tomorrow I will call the GP to check what ID I need and whether that was ok (red books should be enough for children?), the day after I will take the red books in (if that's what they say) and book jabs, the day after that I will sort out a type of photo ID so I dont have this problem again.. etc. It breaks it down and makes it much easier to cope with when everything is overwhelming.

Are they also registered with dentists? Because they should be seeing one of those too.

Best thing to do OP is reply to SW , and say;

oh yes please I'd love your help with this. I tried registering them with a GP when we were in temporary accommodation and they refused as I didn't have a driving licence or passport (I don't need either), if you could facilitate the GP registration by confirming our identity that would be great. As you know we had to leave out old address where their GP was. Once they are registered in this area I can get them booked for jabs. Thank you so much!

She won't want to do it but you're absolutely not being obstructive.

Perhaps she doesn’t have a passport of driving licence? I don’t…

That looks shady to be honest. GPS play an important role in safeguarding children. Not being registered with one is a red flag. It is not considered proper access to health care.

You are happy to get your kids vaccinated, so why are you so bothered about whether or not social services can force you to do something that you're already planning to do? They can't force you, but they can investigate things like this alongside dentist check ups etc to assess whether your children are having their basic needs met.

You keep saying that they are only interested in your 16 old, in that case, why are they looking at the medical records of your younger ones and wanting to look in their bedroom? Either they are looking into your younger ones too, or you need to make a complaint about why they are accessing your children's records when they are not subject to intervention by social services.

Thank you for you post .

What you say does make sense (but) after speaking to the manger she has already told me there are (no) concerns over the younger children. Even at the TAC meeting my other children were not mentioned at all . It's like they never existed. Their names were not mentioned once . It was all purely based on the 16 year old.

At the meeting was social worker, social worker manager . CAMHS. School was not even invited. Who have already said no concerns. Things they are putting in place are my son to do a DV course. And family therapy via social services general practitioner. That will involve. Me, my 12 year old and my 16cyear old. Not the youngest 2.

The manager was very positive towards us . Said ds comes from a loving family who are supportive and care for him etc CAMHS said simlar the manger told me the same om the phone as well a day or 2 before the TAC meeting .

Social worker is working with the 16 year old separately getting him to sign forms referrals etc .

Organise to have your children vaccinated for all childhood diseases. It is in their best interest.
Many consider it neglect to not keep your children up to date with their vaccination schedules and many school systems require children to be vaccinated.
Generations ago there were Measles outbreaks that killed hundreds in every town and the cemeteries are full of children who died from Polio, Diptheria and other preventable diseases.
Go for a walk in an old cemetery.
Most children have a GP. Why do you not want your children to be like most regular kids?

Thank you