Omg I had enough

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May Need to scan my other threads for this to make sense.

So there is a social worker involved due to my sons violence/aggression.

It has been said there are no worries about my other children although I did allow social worker to talk to the younger kids . And the school. They have no concern.

Now I just had the social worker email me about an hour ago . Asking me about my younger kids Jabs . Questioning me why I have not had them done and telling me i have a week to sort it. Now by law I don't have to have them done and as a parent I don't have to . But yet there they trying to force it .

To be honest I don't feel overly strong either way. I can't even remember why I did not. I had Been in temporary accommodation and then covid etc so possibly slipped my mind. So it's not the end of the world for me to sort it. What I don't like is the demands of doing it by next week. And the over the top interference of my children. When its Been agreed thus is about my 16 year old.

When we had TAC meeting a few days ago my younger children were not even mentioned. It's like they never existed.

I honestly have enough to cope with

Anyway if there are any social workers here or who l lws the system can you please explain this to me?

Just to add this is not a jab debate and I will ignore any attempts to turn it into one.

To answer your initial question, if they feel that your children’s needs are not being met, then they may decide you’re not best placed to care for them just now. If you get the vaccinations done in the next couple of days, they will know that you’re taking on board what they’ve said.

I wouldn’t wait until the school holidays. I’d get it done as soon as you can.

Tbh, this is all sounding a little chaotic. I appreciate that there may not be any legal compulsion to vaccinate, but they are probably seeing a rather lax attitude to the kids' health. No GP, no vaccinations etc etc. So feel free to argue it, but you would be expending more energy in fighting it than you appear to have expended towards your kids' health.

Thank you for the straightforward reply . This is what I thought to. Before the jab situation I had a long talk with her manager because the actual social worker is so difficult to talk to . Because she was over preasuring me to look on the kids room . And it had to be done (now) she got quite nasty. The reason i wanted her to wait was because i was having a big sortbout and it did look trashed in my stairs and landing. I had a skip and wanted it tidy first . I told the manager this. She said not to worry I can show her when I'm sorted. And that its not that type of case and the help needed is for son.

She also Said she has no worries about my younger kids what so ever and this is about my son. She said she would talk to the social worker. But here we are again with het overly involved

The manager has said thry have no concerns other children

Absolutely this

This is like about 80% of parents Ive ever worked with

Havent done this or that (and no SSD cant force it under CP or CHIN plan), doesnt know why, forgot, sort of had it booked in but some chaos prevented it happening, then it all comes out they're not even registered with a GP, cant get registered with a GP, wont go to the appointments to register......

and on and on and on it goes

The most basic simple part of meeting needs is all over the place

Definitely this. Not being registered with a go makes you look either irresponsible, because you are not looking after their health needs, or dodgy, because you are hiding them from medical professionals. It really is a priority.

That's true. It's just the approach and the digging deep over stuff that My choice . Especially since the manger has said thisvis to do with my 16 year old son not my other kids

Im amazed that any manager/social worker would have said that the issues with your son dont involve or dont affect your other children

When families are open to services its good practice to assess the whole family, children dont live within a family in isolation, they have relationships and dynamics with all the other family members and vice versa. A good assessment will look at the parenting and the needs of all the children even if the parents arent asking for help with that particular child.

Your other children should be part of the assessments even if it didnt lead to them being subject to any plans (whether CP or CHIN)

OP that may have been true then, but it sounds like they now do have concerns over the other children.

They have found indicators for chaos/neglect and may be concerned about your other children going the way of your teenager

You need to stay on top of the care of your younger children to allow the focus of support to be your teen.

Clean your house, register with GP, and vaccinate them. It's the easiest solution.

Fighting against providing basic care because "it's not the law" Is a terrible impression to give and use of energy.

I guess they wouldn't try and push it if you had a (to you) valid reason why you didn't get them vaccinated. Be honest with yourself - if someone said to you "I don't know why my own child didn't have their recommended vaccinations", would you not in the slightest think they were a bit neglectful?

Sorry I meant saw thr above.

The kids do have a gp. But under my old address. So I Need to register a new once but im having problems with the ID . Last night I registered then at a new gp closer to me . It was done on line . It asked me for ID. I just done a copy of my gas bill . So I don't know what will come of that.

The kids have never Been ill so it's not come up . But they have always had access to medical care if needed .

Your post made me remember though. I did try and register at a GP that was very close to my temporary accommodation. And they refused us because we had no photo ID. I remember the reception was really rude . And I thought that would be the same everywhere.

As others have said it will be because of the huge measles spike. They'll be mentioning it to everyone they come in contact with. I've been told by GP to get my younger child's second dose early

If you did have actual objections to vaccinations id imagine they d just remind you about rise in cases etc to put it on your radar. The fact that you dont have any actual reason for not having vaccinations done, and dont have them registered with a GP is more the reason for the more active prodding Id imagine. The more you focus on being obstinate because you dont want to be told what to do the more involved they will get tbh. I think maybe you feel they are judging you, and thats understandably getting your back up, but thats not the thing to focus on. Whatever is going on with your 16 yr old isnt happening in isolation, its affecting the home/family and your ability to manage (understandably), take whatever help they give you (can they help find you a gp?) and its one more thing to tick off your to-do list of caring for your children

They are involved with your family, so yes, they can look at your little ones.
Can they force jabs ? If they remove them from your care then yes, at a certain point they can.
Get it done or you will be waving a big red flag

If you were firmly anti vaxx and had a strong argument why they weren't done I suspect they wouldn't be as concerned- it's because your reason for not having it done is just lax and wishy washy. It shows a lack of importance placed upon their healthcare needs, like it isn't a priority.

Please get them done OP.

This. I get it OP, I procrastinate sometimes too but you're focusing on the wrong thing. You could have got it all organised by the time it took you to start and keep updating this thread.

This is not meant in a bad way. But I'm only going to reply to posts about can a social worker force Jabs on my children .

The reason for this is because there has already been a TAC Which was (all) based around my 16 year old. The manger had already said there are no worries over my younger children.

So my question is can a social worker force a parent to have Jabs .

I’ve answered this twice

Ong my kids are mot being moved from my care

The simple answer is no, they can't force jabs.

The social worker is more likely to be concerned about the bigger picture. Do you take your children to appropriate medical care when sick? Do they get appropriate treatment if they need it? They just want to be sure the kids aren't neglected. They may talk to your GP as part of the process, if relevant.

As far as jabs, if they've fallen away because of the moving and unsettledness then just admit that and say you're in the process of finding a new GP and will get onto it (and do). If you don't want to discuss that with the social worker, you could say that is something you've discussed with your doctor and you'd prefer to sort that sort of thing with them (assuming you have discussed it with your doctor).

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I think the best thing to do is stop wasting emotional and mental energy on whether something is your choice or not or who is right and who is wrong - and focus on what needs to be done:

• sort out GP registration for all your children and you - asap
• ensure that they are all up to date with their vaccinations

Thank you . That's a good idea. I have already sent an email to her manager.

They have never been ill. But yeah thru would have access to medical care . There's 111 there's walk in centres . There's hospitals if needed. So it's not the case if never ever sering a medical professional.

They can't force you to vaccinate your children, no, but as part of a holistic assessment of your family will be looking at your ability to meet your children's needs consistently. As others have mentioned, this starts to build a picture if you're not on top of basic healthcare issues.

The social worker will be assessing whether the issues that have led to your older child needing support will be impacting on the younger children; will they develop the same behaviours and needs as they grow up? Are you able to make and sustain any changes needed for your children?

No judgement, just letting you know the social worker's thinking - I've been a CP social worker for several years. Work with them and be open to suggestions - good luck!

I know the interference is just pissing me of especially 9.41pm on a Friday night. I did actually lay in bed last nigjt night and fill in 3 registration forms . I did not knlwbwgay to do abot I'd so I just done a copy of my gas bill. So I don't know what will happen. But I have proof via email that I have done it. I started falling asleep so I will di the others on a short while .

That's why then. She's not happy that you went to get manager so is looking to cause trouble.

Can you request a different social worker?

I wouldn't wind her up though. If you're near London I would definitely get them vaccinated against measles but only because it's bad there.

I can't stand people who use their authority like this. I hope you get it all sorted. Just remember to keep calm xx