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Belvoir / Beaver

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cocksstrideintheevening · 11/07/2023 20:32

🤦🏻‍♀️ belvoir is meant to be be beaver. Who the fuck though that was a good idea. I need to move into advertising.

OP posts:
RoyKentFanclub · 13/07/2023 08:21

PuppyMonkey · 11/07/2023 21:45

Southwell is most definitely not pronounced Suthall by people who live there. It’s South well to locals.

My other favourite Notts one is Gotham, which is pronounced Goat-um. Grin

Err no. Southwell is pronounced Suth’ll by everyone apart from newcomers to the area who like to think they’re posh and so call it Southwell. No need because it’s a nice area anyway.

Im from Southwell and still live there.

LadyEloise1 · 13/07/2023 08:59

Oh yes Dalziel !
Another perplexing pronunciation.
I remember a detective show on tv with a detective Dalziel.
Dalziel and Pascoe.

TheModHatter · 13/07/2023 23:18

Frome: Froom
Mousehole: Muzzl
Fowey: Foy

augustusglupe · 13/07/2023 23:44

RoyKentFanclub · 13/07/2023 08:21

Err no. Southwell is pronounced Suth’ll by everyone apart from newcomers to the area who like to think they’re posh and so call it Southwell. No need because it’s a nice area anyway.

Im from Southwell and still live there.

Yes, I’m originally from Notts and I’ve always said Suthull

PuppyMonkey · 14/07/2023 07:05

RoyKentFanclub · 13/07/2023 08:21

Err no. Southwell is pronounced Suth’ll by everyone apart from newcomers to the area who like to think they’re posh and so call it Southwell. No need because it’s a nice area anyway.

Im from Southwell and still live there.

Strange because I definitely know people born and bred there who say the complete opposite. It’s the newcomer posh people saying Suth’ll.

Only one way to sort it out… FIGHT.Grin

Woman2023 · 14/07/2023 07:29

Southwell or Suthul is a bit like scone. They'll never be a consensus.

Unlike Bullwell which has to be followed immediately with b'llw'll if ever pronounced too clearly.

PuppyMonkey · 14/07/2023 08:18

Oh I’ve never heard a controversy about Bullwell tbh, I say Bull-well but I’m from Bestwood Park so not true local. Grin

HaveYouHeardOfARoadAtlas · 14/07/2023 08:28

Beauchief in Sheffield caught me out when I moved there

CatsRebellion · 14/07/2023 08:51

Porthallow in Cornwal is pronounced Prallow apparently. I've got a book about Cornish place names and how to pronounce them all.

TheGirlOnTheLanding · 14/07/2023 11:25

For those confused about Menzies/Dalziel/Culzean, it's because the z isn't an English z, it's a Gaelic yogh. As that letter doesn't exist in modern English it wasn't available in standard fonts, so it was substituted with a z (which looks similar but doesn't sound the same) by printers.

DoctorWoo · 14/07/2023 12:36

I'm Scottish, grew up in Scotland and there was a large branch of John Menzies (a Scottish WH Smith-alike) on our high street. EVERYONE in town called it John MenZies, with the Z sound.
Bunch of uneducated Sassenachs that we were.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 14/07/2023 12:40

MrsMoastyToasty · 12/07/2023 00:18

I live in Keynsham....pronounced Cane Shum.

Do you know Horace Batchelor? (gotta to be in your 60s to know that one).

ZittiEBuoni · 14/07/2023 12:50

Here in Dorset we have Puncknowle, pronounced Punnell
Spetisbury pronounced Spetsbury
Chideock pronounced Chiddock
And Shitterton, pronounced (allegedly) Sitterton Grin.

A popular story around here is the American tourist who asked the way to Kerney Aybass (Cerne Abbas). Not sure I believe it though.

MrsMoastyToasty · 14/07/2023 14:13

@MrsDanversGlidesAgain nope, I'm too young (and I'm not originally from Keynsham).

newnamethanks · 14/07/2023 14:38

Friends said her ex boss had moved to Hiskerpiskerp in Somerset, spelled Huish Episcopi. Still have no idea how to pronounce it. All suggestions welcomed.

neilyoungismyhero · 14/07/2023 14:39

It's beaver in Leicestershire too.

FuzzyPuffling · 14/07/2023 15:11

Woman2023 · 14/07/2023 07:29

Southwell or Suthul is a bit like scone. They'll never be a consensus.

Unlike Bullwell which has to be followed immediately with b'llw'll if ever pronounced too clearly.

Oi, Bulwell only ever has a total of three "l"s. (Born there)

FuzzyPuffling · 14/07/2023 15:12

A personal favourite...
Skelmanthorpe = Shat.

JackieLavertysFreezer · 14/07/2023 16:38

Appletreewick (Aptrick)
Cudworth (Cudeth)
Allerton (Olerton)
Beauchief (Bitchif)
Haworth (Har worth)
Keighley (Keithly)
Masham (Massem)

RammyEwie · 14/07/2023 17:36

Travel reporters always get delays around j28 M1/ A38 wrong. Alfreton is Olffre'on.

Ilkeston can be Ilston too.

The local accents vary a lot within a few miles from one pit town to the next.

A303 · 14/07/2023 19:38

newnamethanks · 14/07/2023 14:38

Friends said her ex boss had moved to Hiskerpiskerp in Somerset, spelled Huish Episcopi. Still have no idea how to pronounce it. All suggestions welcomed.

That's interesting.

This village has been discussed upthread by a poster who has a relative or friend there. Scroll to earlier pages, but I recall that poster pronounced it differently.

Hiskerpiskerp sounds like the sort of pronunciation some newcomers might make-up at a dinner party, then it kind of sticks. Hisker Pisker sounds like a made up rhyme.

I thought why not search t'internet and see if I can find anything. So I just did that and found a pub called the Rose & Crown in the village. I pulled up their website to find a phone number. I thought as its Friday night they are bound to answer. Nope, no number as the website is under construction - but looks like a great pub by the way https://www.elisroseandcrown.co.uk/ Interesting menus and village life.

No I do not have shares in it. 😂

Then I found that Somerset Live says:

Among the more unique place names you'll find in Somerset, this village outside Langport could easily be taken to be pronounced with a 'pie'-sounding end - and that's before even starting on Huish.

For anyone planning on visiting the settlement of 2,095 people anytime soon, Hugh-ish A-pis-co-pee is how you would pronounce it!

No citation apparently, so could be a mere dissection of the syllables by a creator. Who knows.

This is what I think, each word separately.

Huish

I knew a Scottish family whose name was Melhuish. They pronounced it 'mel-ish'. Now that pronunciation could be because it is a family name. In other words, they dropped the 'h' because that it is how they pronounce it. The family's pronunciation of its own name must be right and matters most. A bit like the first name in Moet & Chandon is pronounced 'Mow-et' with a definite hard 't'. Not the way most people pronounce it 'Mo-ey' which is wrong. The Moet family pronounce it with a hard t.

Where does that leave us with this odd village at the start of the West Country? Not sure, but I suspect it is wrong to graft half of the Melhuish family pronunciation onto a singular word in the name of a settlement.

My bet is the first word is pronounced - 'Hweesh'.

Episcopi

Four syllables so potentially tricky. But actually I think it might be a bit easier than Huish with a twist at the end.

We have all heard of the word Episcopal - a church managed by higher authority and this particular Church and diocese was under the Bishop of Wells. The first part of the word, up to the p only, would be pronounced - 'Ep-ih-skop'

The last letter is the hardest. Is it 'ee' or is it 'eye'. No idea, but 'eye' is like i-phone. And the village was around a lot longer than Apple. So, I am going to plump for 'ee'.

My conclusion is the village of Huish Episcopi is pronounced:

'Hweesh-Ep-ih-skop-ee'

Final answer. Could be 'bol-ux'. Susie Dent's job is safe.

The pub does look good though for a Friday night chill.

home - Eli's Inn - The Rose & Crown, Huish Episcopi

What’s On at Eli’s Food Please note: our kitchen is currently closed but we hope you will come enjoy our weekly food trucks and shop for your fresh veg, eggs, and staples with Elderflowers Food Co-op! Elderflowers Food Co-opEvery Friday, 5pm Nom Nom Pi...

https://www.elisroseandcrown.co.uk

RoyKentFanclub · 14/07/2023 19:42

A lot of these are just local dialect/accent though rather than official pronunciations of words that are surprising when you look at the spelling.

TheModHatter · 15/07/2023 00:14

FuzzyPuffling · 14/07/2023 15:11

Oi, Bulwell only ever has a total of three "l"s. (Born there)

LOL, I was trying to work out how to spell the pronunciation of Bulwell in a Nott’u’nm accent.

Buw-wuh? (Used to love a visit to the Lido in the days when Buw-wuh still had a pit head

wightwine · 15/07/2023 00:48

Vitriolinsanity · 11/07/2023 22:02

Or are you closer to Green Witch?

Greenwich = grinidge if you are local or grenitch if you are using bbc pronunciation.

Deptford = depfud if you are local or detford if you are using bbc pronunciation.

wightwine · 15/07/2023 01:03

MrsCarson · 12/07/2023 08:33

I saw the ad for the Belvior Cordial too, it totally confused me as to why they were saying Beaver.

aren't the belvoir/beaulieu/beauchamp all names that came over with the Normans that became anglicized in pronunciation over time?

Menzies should be spelt with an old scottish letter that is a cross between a z and a lower case g giving a glottal stop type letter g pronunciation = mingies