Social services acting unlawfully

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Hi , Moved here 8 years ago fleeing a stacking violent alcoholic rapist father. Both children are diagnosed with Dyspraxia and hyper sensory. The local authority wouldn’t accept their diagnosis reports. My son became suicidal and my other son was severely bullied. So I took them both out of school. So the head teacher wrote a nasty letter to social services and we were targeted and had our lives turned upside down. They took me to court twice but it didn’t meet the criteria for removal of my children. So they then spent 2 and half years , making our lives an absolute living hell. They told the violent father where we live and gave him one of their solicitors and treated him like a king. Gave him a positive parenting assessment and they gave me a negative parenting assessment. Social services use narcissistic abuse to provoke a reaction out of you. They use silence to make you feel uneasy. I was very aware they were recording me in my home. We were terrified of them. This is abuse. They absolutely hated me and made me suffer for 2 and a half years. They said my children aren’t disabled even thou they both told them they are. They said, it was me putting ideas into their heads. They took me to court for fabrication of illness and I was completely taken apart and made to look like a peadophile and a child murderer. They are corrupt. They actually wanted to take my children away. They won with their own biased judge. Interestingly they took me to court in a different area. 1 and a half journey out of this area. So they have my 13 year old innocent vulnerable child isolated from the people that love him. I haven’t seen him for 6 weeks and they don’t like him seeing his 17 year old brother because he’s a bad influence on him. They have been showing my children photographs and letters and trying to make them watch videos of their father. Both boys witnessed the father hit me in the face in the supermarket. I suffered 9 years of abuse from the father and his brother and sister. My children witnessed horrific violence during contact at the grandparents house.Their is police log to back this up. But the authority choose to not listen and ignore the evidence. My boy’s are being forced against their will. My children are absolutely terrified. Both children are going to have mental health issues for the rest of their lives. This authority only knows how to punish people and they do that very well. There is no care here. Your expected to drag your children to school kicking and screaming. Interestingly they don’t have any screening here for the children. They absolutely hate disabilities. Which is very cruel. I’ve been told that I will have to go back there to see my children. I won’t be able to see my children ever again. I will end up dead. This is beyond cruel. I’m also diagnosed with PTSD. We have been treated with total disregard. This is malicious punishment. I’m totally isolated and on my own. I’m really frightened for my son , he can’t defend himself. They said in court that he is easy. My very tearful and emotional. I don't know what to do or who to talk to for fear of this authority. Has anyone else experienced this before..? I could do with some support.

Can you advise which solicitors did you use?
thank you and glad you have your children back safe.
I have had the same experience with social, courts/judge and the solicitor I used was intertwined.
they Did it to me as a child twice and my parents took them to court and won both times and received compensation and now done to my child.
I have stacks of evidence to hold in court, I’m now studying law and it’s peeling my eyes open more and quite often watch how they lecture/teach child social workers which is shocking but explains everything!
I have many professionals backing and have seen the evidence and are willing to take to the stand, just need a decent solicitor not a dodgy one as going into the field and of course personal experience there are many dodgy ones out there too who collude with SS.
any firm recommendations would be greatly appreciated, from parents who have got their children back and gone through the same.

I got my child back and SS are now gone completely... I say completely, they're still in my head driving me mad.
In my case they said I had a cesarean and discharged myself from hospital (I didn't)
They used a false positive drug test to put him in foster care, despite medical professionals saying the medication I was on had caused the test to be falsely positive
I then had to go into a rehab/ mother baby unit or he would have been adopted
They said multiple family members failed their assessments so we couldn't stay with them, subsequently I got cancer and after the rehab suddenly these family members were fine to stay with?!?
They said my home was dangerous and I had known drug dealers there... It wasn't and I didn't and never have.. This was before they'd even ever been in my home?!?
The rehab I was incarcerated in had mice, we were given out of date food, I was locked in a car with suspected sepsis whilst staff decided if I was allowed to go to hospital
Social services are refusing to investigate my complaints as the initial worker has now left (to be a foster carer.. god help any kids placed with her)
The solicitor we got was from a list social services supplied.. he accused me of being too defensive. Who wouldn't defend themselves when accused of things that are entirely untrue? One of the barristers at a court hearing said it was likely the initial report by the social worker was copied and pasted from another case. Given the solicitors firm didn't really argue anything or support me, it was a horrendous year.
Sadly, it seems the only way to 'win' against social services is to keep your head down and nod in the right place at the right time until they go on to the next person.

It'll take parents coming together like the post office scandal before there is any chance of changing the system. Given that the masses generally don't believe social services could ever behave so poorly, Facebook groups that post poorly written horror stories/comments don't really have any effect.
The whole experience has left me thoroughly frightened that 'the system' can so easily remove children with no proof of anything at all. I always ensure now (& thankfully I'm in a position to be able to) I have enough money tucked away to leave the country should they ever threaten me and my child again.

Is it definitely a thing then, that solicitors collude with social? My worker made a few comments (such as, 'why is he telling you XYZ I've worked with him loads of times so he should know not to say that') that made me think this. I disregarded it as paranoia at the time.

Doesn't sound far fetched to me at all, and both my parents are retired senior sw'ers. Accusing parents of fii is very common, especially eg parents of ASD children, very well documented, just google it. Those posters who just assume that this is far-fetched, or lies, are probably naieve.

Social services are trying to make me out to be an abusive partner even tho shes has told the police twice that i have never caused her harm. When they arrived she told them she was nervous about them just turning up expecting to look around her personal space they then tried to shif the reasoning towards me being abusive. What can i do?

I had to court to see my see which mo social services involved anymore with my other children but now I'm 17weeks pregnant they trying to get involved in my new New relationship because he's a traveller and he's been to prison even tho he's never done anything to children or woman they still trying to be a pre birth plan and I will tell you now there is no need for them to try and get involved. We have moved to Scotland and since moving here we haven't heard from one social worker . England is all corruption they all work to take children away from loving parents when there is kids out there being abused. And people say work with them why would I work with them when we have done nothing wrong. Social worker from England rang RSPCA on us but that backfired were they saw our animals being looked after because she can't take our child she tried to get out animals 🤣🤣🤣 messing with the wrong family this time cos this family will fight back. She's not happy because we live on camp site 🤣🤣🤣🤣 won't find a gypsy who doesn't wanna be found

Social services are corrupt the amount of times we've been lied to by the one social worker is unbelievable never turns up when she says she's going to trying to get me and my partner to split and always has excuses for her lies and also one thing I've learned is they all lie to cover each others backs. Social services need shutting down and getting a different way of child protection.

Because it is much easier to be seen to be writing reports, calling case meetings etc when the case is a "easy fix" compared to a very complex case where there is actual abuse.

Anyone doubting the original OP has no idea about social services, and the family court system. Google the Minstry of Justice Harm Report, the Home Office Family Court Report and the University reports into family court. Something exceptionally sinister is going on. None of the formal complaint channels stop the fake police, social and medical records they generate to steal kids from their mum's. It is terrifying!

I just want to offer you, support, and a hug, and to say I think you are doing a great job in a incredibly difficult situation. Well done you!

I'm struggling with this post OP. You see, I have a friend who certainly has ficticious disorder (previously Munchausens by proxy). Her children haven't been in school for years. She goes down every medical route in the pursuit of a myriad of diagnoses. She can always find someone to write her a report on something, often without them having looked at her kids medical records. Drs have to give the benefit of the doubt to parents of children and assume that the parents are acting in good faith and investigate every illness. I spoke to someone who works in safeguarding off record and they said that ficticious disorder is extremely hard to prove and that they are usually helpless to act, unless there is a clear and immediate danger to the child (where they have videoed mothers removing feeding tubes from their kids in hospital etc.).
I also know that most people with fictitious disorder don't realise what they are doing or are aware of the impact upon their children. Except, in the most serious of cases, they would also not remove the children but offer counselling to the parent (which is usually the mother). It's typical for the father to not be present.
With this in mind, OP, I do wonder why SS did choose to remove the children from your care? And why the drs and school similarly closed ranks. From your posts, my gut feeling is that you do have some mental health issues that need addressing. I'm not one for conspiracy theories and I find it hard to believe that you have been targeted like this for no reason at all. However, I do also believe that mistakes can be made by social services and that a solicitor would be a good starting point. You should also work with rather than against social services if you want to get anywhere.

I agree with all your views thanks for your support.

@Awoodburn19 Via email write the following to every authority below that they involve:

To support me keep track of my cooperation with the many authorities involved in safeguarding children I will be recording each interaction. I trust I can share these with the Information Commissioners Office (ICO - not sure if England use a different independent data protection investigator) in the unlikely event we ever dispute what has been said between us. Should this be declined I trust I am able to withdraw from social services support (you are under no legal obligation to do engage), and the case does not warrant escalation to the Scottish Children's Reporter Administration (SCRA - unsure of English equivalent. This is where they escalate to if there is sufficient concern.).

Please confirm receipt via return (they often lie, making out they haven't received communication otherwise).

Trust me when I say the above is the only thing that will shield you from the inexplicable and indefensible falsified records and multi-agency collusion social services, the police, solicitors/Children Welfare Reporter and court appointed psychologists engage in. To anyone who wants to class this as a conspiracy - I have the audio recordings and documents to prove it, and worse. I also have no mental health disorder following psychological and psychiatric assessment, triggered by the incredulous nature of the abuse my daughter and I have faced being discussed with my GP. My clear record is stand alone, but was also later backed by the aforementioned evidence given how unbelieve the authorities conduct is. Whilst my daughters school have been fine, do it with each and every individual you come across. If they decline reply with the following:

It is of concern that you are insufficiently confident in your ability to adhere to the data protection act to agree to my reasonable request. Please confirm I have the right to decline social services help without escalation to the SCRA. If not, please be advised that I will retain my right to record each interaction. In the event of a dispute I will be sharing said recordings, firstly through legal transcription services which will verify the content, then through family and civil court, followed by your regulatory body.

Please confirm receipt via return.

@bestlaidplans2015 SCRA is a particular organisation within the Children’s Hearing System there’s literally no English equivalent because Scotland uses a legal tribunal process unique to Scotland, just in case the OP tries to find a similar organisation elsewhere.

@Jellycatspyjamas thanks for clarifying. Here in Scotland social services told me that engagement with them was voluntary upon opening the damning evidence I held on them. They had been threatening me with escalation to the SCRA prior to this. I cannot stress enough the need to record every single bit of communication with everyone. Whilst inexplicable beyond the hive minds cluster B personality disorders are known to employ, these people work as a team to destroy, and I've the evidence to prove it. You'd literally sound insane and likely become it without said evidence.

In Scotland all involvement with social work is on a voluntary basis unless and until the Children's Hearing imposes a Compulsory Supervision Order. By “voluntary” it simply means there’s no legal order in place, it doesn’t mean someone chose to work with social work or agreed to their involvement, it describes the legal standing of service involvement.

There’s a very high bar for getting a CSO through the hearings system, all referral to SCRA does is give another set of eyes on a case, with consideration of whether an order might be needed. The vast majority of referrals don’t result in compulsory measures of supervision