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Social services acting unlawfully

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Mumursoold · 28/06/2023 21:39

Hi , Moved here 8 years ago fleeing a stacking violent alcoholic rapist father. Both children are diagnosed with Dyspraxia and hyper sensory. The local authority wouldn’t accept their diagnosis reports. My son became suicidal and my other son was severely bullied. So I took them both out of school. So the head teacher wrote a nasty letter to social services and we were targeted and had our lives turned upside down. They took me to court twice but it didn’t meet the criteria for removal of my children. So they then spent 2 and half years , making our lives an absolute living hell. They told the violent father where we live and gave him one of their solicitors and treated him like a king. Gave him a positive parenting assessment and they gave me a negative parenting assessment. Social services use narcissistic abuse to provoke a reaction out of you. They use silence to make you feel uneasy. I was very aware they were recording me in my home. We were terrified of them. This is abuse. They absolutely hated me and made me suffer for 2 and a half years. They said my children aren’t disabled even thou they both told them they are. They said, it was me putting ideas into their heads. They took me to court for fabrication of illness and I was completely taken apart and made to look like a peadophile and a child murderer. They are corrupt. They actually wanted to take my children away. They won with their own biased judge. Interestingly they took me to court in a different area. 1 and a half journey out of this area. So they have my 13 year old innocent vulnerable child isolated from the people that love him. I haven’t seen him for 6 weeks and they don’t like him seeing his 17 year old brother because he’s a bad influence on him. They have been showing my children photographs and letters and trying to make them watch videos of their father. Both boys witnessed the father hit me in the face in the supermarket. I suffered 9 years of abuse from the father and his brother and sister. My children witnessed horrific violence during contact at the grandparents house.Their is police log to back this up. But the authority choose to not listen and ignore the evidence. My boy’s are being forced against their will. My children are absolutely terrified. Both children are going to have mental health issues for the rest of their lives. This authority only knows how to punish people and they do that very well. There is no care here. Your expected to drag your children to school kicking and screaming. Interestingly they don’t have any screening here for the children. They absolutely hate disabilities. Which is very cruel. I’ve been told that I will have to go back there to see my children. I won’t be able to see my children ever again. I will end up dead. This is beyond cruel. I’m also diagnosed with PTSD. We have been treated with total disregard. This is malicious punishment. I’m totally isolated and on my own. I’m really frightened for my son , he can’t defend himself. They said in court that he is easy. My very tearful and emotional. I don't know what to do or who to talk to for fear of this authority. Has anyone else experienced this before..? I could do with some support.

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PicnicInthecar · 30/06/2023 13:25

The sad truth is that SEN and disability costs a lot to support properly so some professionals would rather discredit parents and query a diagnosis instead of offering and funding the right care and support. People will say ‘oh but it costs more to have a child put in care !’ Not realising fostering agencies are big lucrative businesses

PicnicInthecar · 30/06/2023 13:31

Just the words ‘future emotional harm’ are enough too. It doesn’t have to be justified or quantified or backed up by any proof at all.

So a child can never have experienced any emotional harm and SS can just state ‘risk of future emotional harm’ with no details at all if what form they think this harm will take they don’t have to elaborate at all

uncomfortablydumb53 · 30/06/2023 13:46

I second every single work of your post 100%
No surprise there is a high turnover of staff( which further complicates cases) Those with morals and consciences leave

Mumursoold · 30/06/2023 20:13

oh nasty! Isn’t it funny how some people can be so small minded. Don’t worry The LA has put me through every single mental health assessments there is. They called in Psychologists from London. I’ve been put through gruelling day Long and weeks and weeks of mental health assessments. Professionals costing an absolute fortune. All paid for by legal aid government money. To be told it’s PTSD which I had already been Diagnosed with.
So it’s probably Best not get involved with issues that you clearly know nothing about.

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Mumursoold · 30/06/2023 20:26

I think you’ve just hit the nail on the head. I’ve had the feeling for a very long time.
Because of the sheer fact, they don’t have screening here..? I find that very strange indeed.
Many times I’ve thought have they got some kind of money making enterprise happening here..?

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PicnicInthecar · 30/06/2023 20:31

Mumursoold · 30/06/2023 20:26

I think you’ve just hit the nail on the head. I’ve had the feeling for a very long time.
Because of the sheer fact, they don’t have screening here..? I find that very strange indeed.
Many times I’ve thought have they got some kind of money making enterprise happening here..?

Even schools get an amount of money for any child in LA care even if it’s for a very short time so it’s in their interests to 1) save money by not having to fund support and 2) discredit parents and contribute to safeguarding concerns as if that child is then removed they get money

PicnicInthecar · 30/06/2023 20:35

Once a child has been in the care of a LA for over 24 hours they are considered to be a ‘looked after child’ and the school can claim pupil premium plus for that child

jenandberrys · 30/06/2023 22:12

PicnicInthecar · 30/06/2023 20:31

Even schools get an amount of money for any child in LA care even if it’s for a very short time so it’s in their interests to 1) save money by not having to fund support and 2) discredit parents and contribute to safeguarding concerns as if that child is then removed they get money

Good god I have heard it all now. This thread is a hot bed of insane conspiracy nonsense.

Honeychickpea · 30/06/2023 22:26

jenandberrys · 30/06/2023 22:12

Good god I have heard it all now. This thread is a hot bed of insane conspiracy nonsense.

No doubt they sell children to the highest bidder too.😅

jenandberrys · 30/06/2023 22:29

Honeychickpea · 30/06/2023 22:26

No doubt they sell children to the highest bidder too.😅

Absolutely batshit!

Quiverer · 30/06/2023 22:33

PicnicInthecar · 30/06/2023 20:35

Once a child has been in the care of a LA for over 24 hours they are considered to be a ‘looked after child’ and the school can claim pupil premium plus for that child

Only if the reason they are no longer looked after is that they are the subject of an adoption, special guardianship or child arrangements order.

Quiverer · 30/06/2023 22:34

PicnicInthecar · 30/06/2023 20:31

Even schools get an amount of money for any child in LA care even if it’s for a very short time so it’s in their interests to 1) save money by not having to fund support and 2) discredit parents and contribute to safeguarding concerns as if that child is then removed they get money

Absolute nonsense.

PicnicInthecar · 30/06/2023 22:59

It’s not nonsense - a child is considered ‘looked after’ for pupil premium plus purposes after they’ve been in the care of the local authority for over 24 hours.

jenandberrys · 30/06/2023 23:10

PicnicInthecar · 30/06/2023 22:59

It’s not nonsense - a child is considered ‘looked after’ for pupil premium plus purposes after they’ve been in the care of the local authority for over 24 hours.

I think it’s the rest of your little conspiracy theory that was being commented on,

PicnicInthecar · 30/06/2023 23:12

£2530 per child either previously looked after or looked after

To qualify a child need only have spent just over 24 hrs in LA care .

For the vast majority this funding is great and will help children who are or were looked after but for a very small group (those with parents accused of FII after asking for support / EHCP) it’s not for their benefit at all it’s part of the game played by schools who don’t want to support or fund SEN children and tell parents their child is ‘fine in school’ then accuse parents of exaggerating or fabricating rather than stepping up and supporting the child

jenandberrys · 30/06/2023 23:14

PicnicInthecar · 30/06/2023 23:12

£2530 per child either previously looked after or looked after

To qualify a child need only have spent just over 24 hrs in LA care .

For the vast majority this funding is great and will help children who are or were looked after but for a very small group (those with parents accused of FII after asking for support / EHCP) it’s not for their benefit at all it’s part of the game played by schools who don’t want to support or fund SEN children and tell parents their child is ‘fine in school’ then accuse parents of exaggerating or fabricating rather than stepping up and supporting the child

You are absolutely deranged if you think schools can get children taken into care! Let alone at the drop of a hat, in order to boost their coffers. Seriously tin foil hat territory

Messyhair321 · 30/06/2023 23:14

BlockbusterVideoCard · 30/06/2023 09:07

While I don't know whether the OP is wide of the mark or bang on, needs mental help support or not (good suggestion because if she didn't to begin with she probably does now), she definitely needs better advocacy and I certainly believe that SS could have been causing more harm than good to a dangerous level, and discriminating against her and her family, at least to an extent. It sounds complicated. It's not unknown for narcissistic (and dangerous) men to manipulate (often female) social workers, especially if they are inexperienced or understaffed, either.

corruption of social services

It's a bit much for PPs to suggest that SS are never corrupt (or so incompetent they might as well be). Not long ago the suggestion that the Met Police were as toxic in the 21st Century as they have now been shown and admitted to be, as an organisation and by their leadership, would have also been waved away by many people as hperbole or conspiracy. A torch needs shiny into all the murky corners of all these organisations that serve us, regularly.

Quite right

PicnicInthecar · 30/06/2023 23:17

jenandberrys · 30/06/2023 23:10

I think it’s the rest of your little conspiracy theory that was being commented on,

I can see why it would be viewed as a conspiracy theory . Until it happens to you you don’t think it would be possible.

Imagine you have a child with diagnosed SEN and medical conditions, you ask for support and suddenly the school says ‘he’s fine here - we don’t see the issues you do ‘ then try to query if diagnoses are valid and get SS involved. When proof of diagnoses os shown the school then say youre exaggerating needs and it’s not that bad and you just want attention and special treatment for yourself when all you want is the best for your child so they can access an education.
You complain to the governors but SS say that complaining is a red flag and more attention seeking behaviour………
What would the school gain from this ?? I can’t see they’d gain anything except for not having to fund additional support and then potentially getting pupil premium plus

PicnicInthecar · 30/06/2023 23:19

jenandberrys · 30/06/2023 23:14

You are absolutely deranged if you think schools can get children taken into care! Let alone at the drop of a hat, in order to boost their coffers. Seriously tin foil hat territory

If a school makes a safeguarding referral citing FII they absolutely can contribute to a child being removed. SS will listen to other professionals rather than parents and it can become very serious very quickly

jenandberrys · 30/06/2023 23:20

PicnicInthecar · 30/06/2023 23:19

If a school makes a safeguarding referral citing FII they absolutely can contribute to a child being removed. SS will listen to other professionals rather than parents and it can become very serious very quickly

Schools have no role in having children removed. They may be asked for their professional opinion but they have no role in children being removed.

PicnicInthecar · 30/06/2023 23:21

Go and watch on YouTube Michael Charles from Sinclairs law talk about FII - parental blame and FII accusations are a huge issue it’s totally corrupt

PicnicInthecar · 30/06/2023 23:23

jenandberrys · 30/06/2023 23:20

Schools have no role in having children removed. They may be asked for their professional opinion but they have no role in children being removed.

If the school makes the original referral to SS they are the ones starting it - they can give huge amounts of (false or malicious) ‘evidence’ and that’s what is acted upon . Yes it’s then down to the LA and courts but the school absolutely can set the ball rolling and if it comes to removal they are then not liable to offer support as if FII is ‘found’ they can say the child is ‘fine’ and they then get extra funding for a looked after child

jenandberrys · 30/06/2023 23:24

PicnicInthecar · 30/06/2023 23:17

I can see why it would be viewed as a conspiracy theory . Until it happens to you you don’t think it would be possible.

Imagine you have a child with diagnosed SEN and medical conditions, you ask for support and suddenly the school says ‘he’s fine here - we don’t see the issues you do ‘ then try to query if diagnoses are valid and get SS involved. When proof of diagnoses os shown the school then say youre exaggerating needs and it’s not that bad and you just want attention and special treatment for yourself when all you want is the best for your child so they can access an education.
You complain to the governors but SS say that complaining is a red flag and more attention seeking behaviour………
What would the school gain from this ?? I can’t see they’d gain anything except for not having to fund additional support and then potentially getting pupil premium plus

I am not even going to get into this conversation because this posts manages to contradict itself within the same post. According to you schools both don’t want funding and are trying to get extra funding, like I said complete tin foil hat territory. There are plenty of other tinfoil hatters on this thread so it’s best you all just speak to each other and the ‘supportive’ Facebook groups.

PicnicInthecar · 30/06/2023 23:26

jenandberrys · 30/06/2023 23:24

I am not even going to get into this conversation because this posts manages to contradict itself within the same post. According to you schools both don’t want funding and are trying to get extra funding, like I said complete tin foil hat territory. There are plenty of other tinfoil hatters on this thread so it’s best you all just speak to each other and the ‘supportive’ Facebook groups.

No I said they don’t want to fund additional support needed so in order to avoid having to do so they deny the child has additional needs and blame the parents and allege FII.

I then explained how they would , if a child is removed then receive extra funding for a looked after child

PicnicInthecar · 30/06/2023 23:28

No official organisation has absolutely zero corruption or unprofessional/harmful action . It may be a tiny percentage but it does happen.