Missing Titan Sub! Thread 4

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As thread 3 is filling up here is a new one. For the benefit of those just joining the conversation;

Thread 1
Thread 2
Thread 3

Yes we know they're billionaires
We can discuss things that are horrifying and ghoulish, thanks for your opinion.
Migrant boats are sad too

As you were 😁

Rip lessons will be learned I think, but I do also hope they find the sub so at least the families get some closure.

It's not kilometers. Its meters. 4000 meters. 2.5 ish miles.

It can best be learned from if it is found.

The lessons from an intact submersible trapped in a ghost net would be very different to those from one trapped against the wreck, and different again from remnants of implosion (for which exact cause may or may not be discoverable)

4000m IS 4km...

So very sad to see the size of the sub, and the cramped space these poor men are in.

This is no way to pass away. 💔😔

Thank you!

I think it's still a couple of hours too soon to be posting "RIP" all over the thread. I'm sure the families are still clinging to the last sliver of hope.

Can people stop with the "RIP" posts? Extremely distasteful.

Well, the bbc have clearly given up. It's dropped four segments down on their website.

There'll declare the change when the rescue mission becomes a recovery effort. That's the time for RIPs.

@JeandeServiette

They still haven't found it, if they do they still need to figure out how to bring it back to the surface which would take hours..assuming they can free the sub.
I think sadly the odds of them surviving without even taking into account hypothermia, lack of water etc are almost impossible.

Yes, a quick thank you to those with the ability to summarise updates so we are all up to speed with the fast changing developments.

I didn't post on threads 1 and 2 but just read as was filled with mixed emotions about too much focus on billionaires and little focus on migrants, until I saw many others on the threads felt the same -thank you.

Having acknowledged all lives are valuable, I was then able to empathise with the billionaires as I too am an adrenalin junkie and have done some crazy things- the last ones I even just disappeared without telling my family where I had gone and what I was going to be doing as I didn't want them to stop me (I then gave location info and instructions for my family to my husband while I was already gone)- which also means, I become even more careful while doing those things. However, I also love life ( as in 'to live') so I do not do very risky things even if I can afford them. That's where we differ.

When I blurted out that I did this and this, my DH says he didn't know I had done that and that I'm brave and independent - I am independent. Of course I forgot to tell him as I did just too many things.

Human nature.. to sometimes feel weirdly connected to something and someone miles away and without and real rhyme or reason in your own life.. we cannot help what moves us.

Also human nature to judge I suppose.

I would rather be the person who thinks.. if only I was so hoping..
Than I don't care, or it was obviously going to be the case.

Hope some sort of peace is found for all concerned.

I know its the DM but they are reporting that they are believed to have died

Thank you for clarifying this bellcurves.

One of those things I just can't understand, then. If only as advisors they would, as you say, have been invaluable. I'll start my own internal USA-bashing now. It seems a very petty thing to have done.

Officials being unavailable could be bad luck or even incompetence; refusing entry seems deliberate and calculated. I wonder why?

Though TBH, I doubt that the end result would have been very much different - but who knows, it might have been. The families would certainly have had the (cold) comfort of knowing that everything possible had been done.

4000m IS 4Km 🙄

Yes I know. I can see what the situation is. But as @TheTERFnextDoor says, it's distasteful.

Is there a reason why it is white? Just wondering why it was painted bright red or something - so it could be seen more easily. Or would this alarm sea life?

I thought that . . .

The fact they don't even have seats inside, they are literally sat cross legged on the floor of the Sub. I just can't get my head around it. They can't even stand up. It's so, so awful.

I see the tin foil hat brigade is out in full force on social media, saying the whole thing is a lie and isn't true.
Where these idiots get their information from I don't know.

GPS signals can't travel through water.

Operation leader has said it is still an active search and rescue operation. Stop with the RIP posts, regardless of your personal thoughts. Distasteful.

Just saw on the news that the 19-year-old has just finished his first year at university in Glasgow.