Page 37 | Missing Titan Sub! Thread 3

Badabingbadaboomm · 2023-06-21T18:00:12+00:00

OP of the last thread has said she has to pop out so making this one as we’re almost full on the 2nd thread. I cannot stop thinking about these poor men.

tortoishelll · 22/06/2023 11:57

I really hope then in this case it's man-made noise and they are found well. I feel like we need a positive end to this. It's all so, so tragic.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 22/06/2023 11:58

Yes, that makes sense about protocol. Pilots, sailors, military people will follow SOPs.

The boy isn't one of those things. God love him.

JeandeServiette · 22/06/2023 11:58

tortoishelll · 22/06/2023 11:49

I just have a feeling the banging is the titanic itself. For them to still be alive and alert enough to be banging for aid, seems so far fetched now. It's awful.

I wish I felt the same way. I just can't get past the "30 minute interval" thing.

Although I suspect many details will be shared, disputed and corrected in the big media debrief.

EilonwyWithRedGoldHair · 22/06/2023 11:59

Stircrazyschoolmum · 22/06/2023 11:54

Of course this is where internet and social media are a double edged sword.. one one hand it bonds us, in another way it binds us. My guess is a decade or so ago something like this could have happened and the world would have been oblivious. In today’s world we have a BBC live stream for every tragedy and a growing mental health crisis.. 9/11 is my first memory of that level of coverage (and just to be clear I’m not comparing incidents but media coverage). Then it was seismic, now it’s normalised.

I don't think people would have been oblivious ten years ago, but I think there would have been fewer people becoming so focused on it maybe? Though possibly we'd have to go back farther, 15 or 20 years.

TokyoStories · 22/06/2023 12:00

Yes, the banging has continued.

From the Guardian this morning:

Dr David Gallo, a deep sea explorer, has stressed that it will take hours to rescue the submersible once it has been found – if indeed it turns out that the repetitive banging noises detected are coming from the lost sub.
Speaking to Good Morning Britain on Thursday, he said:
In this case, the noises are repetitive, every half hour I believe.

Three different aircraft heard them in their sensors at the same time and it went on for two days-plus.

It’s still going on apparently. There’s not a lot in the natural world we can think of that would do that every 30-minute cycle.

We have to, at this point, assume that that’s the submarine and move quickly to that spot, locate it and get robots down there to verify that is where the submarine is.

They’ve got to go fully ready as if that was the sub because it takes a while to locate it and get it up to the surface, it takes hours.

JeandeServiette · 22/06/2023 12:01

Stircrazyschoolmum · 22/06/2023 11:54

Of course this is where internet and social media are a double edged sword.. one one hand it bonds us, in another way it binds us. My guess is a decade or so ago something like this could have happened and the world would have been oblivious. In today’s world we have a BBC live stream for every tragedy and a growing mental health crisis.. 9/11 is my first memory of that level of coverage (and just to be clear I’m not comparing incidents but media coverage). Then it was seismic, now it’s normalised.

We wouldn't have been oblivious but these conversations would have - did - happen on a smaller scale. At the school gate, across desks, round the kitchen table. And the news was more intermittent.

Poppetsss · 22/06/2023 12:03

tortoishelll · 22/06/2023 11:49

I just have a feeling the banging is the titanic itself. For them to still be alive and alert enough to be banging for aid, seems so far fetched now. It's awful.

It's every half an hour apparently. One of them is a keen explorer and might know for search and rescue that you should save energy and oxygen but bang for a few minutes every half an hour.

Although I did think at first that maybe the submarine was down there hitting against the Titanic.

I saw a lady post a video about her time on submarines and she said she was horrified that there looked to be little to no CO2 filter (a scrubber system I believe she called it). I don't think she's very hopeful that they've stayed alive this long.

Emotionalsupportviper · 22/06/2023 12:04

Dinobore · 22/06/2023 11:55

To bang at particular time intervals is a common survival technique as it can often be identified as being 'purposeful' rather than naturally occurring noise which by its nature tends to be more random. I can't say of course in this case as I haven't heard it and of course don't have the Intel, but generally speaking its a well known tactic.

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The sailors on the Kursk used this technique, which is how people knew they had survived the initial explosion. Ot's a very well established distress signal.

Eastcoaster · 22/06/2023 12:04

There was breaking news on Twitter to say Horizon Arctic ROV has reached the sea floor. Hoping for a miracle now

tortoishelll · 22/06/2023 12:05

Eastcoaster · 22/06/2023 12:04

There was breaking news on Twitter to say Horizon Arctic ROV has reached the sea floor. Hoping for a miracle now

Wow! That got down there really fast. Fingers crossed!

Isthisexpected · 22/06/2023 12:05

sashh · 22/06/2023 11:44

Where would you have deployed it?

How would you have got it to the coast?

It's 400 miles from land to the sea above the Titanic, no one knows if they are anywhere near the actual site or have been pushed by currents somewhere else.

It could also be at any depth.

It takes time to get somewhere in a boat / ship. Crossing the channel takes about 1'5 hours, that's only 20 miles.

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I get what you're saying but the company didn't even tell the coast guard there was an issue for eight hours. So it seems like lost time.

Sunshineishere1988 · 22/06/2023 12:05

I think time has run out sadly (as much as I want to believe they will be found).

I get that explorers will always want to push the boundaries and the limits, but I cannot understand the 19 year old wanting to take the risk at such a young age. The others have lived (and it sounds like incredibly interesting lives), but the 19 year old was just beginning his life. I just think its never worth the risk at that age, especially with what sounds like no back-up plan if everything goes wrong.

Very sad for them all, especially the 19 year old and all the families waiting for them.

Snowy2022 · 22/06/2023 12:06

Boulezvous · 22/06/2023 11:56

Yes but they can’t just parachute it out of the plane - it will have to go in a support ship to get to the site -400 miles off the North American coast and to operate it.

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Yes, the journey from St John's airport (Canada or an airport in US) by sea to the scene is 15 hours, if I recall correctly.

I thought you were talking about sea journey from London to New York. That's certainly the comment I responded to!

Elerandooo · 22/06/2023 12:07

Some posters keep saying how irresponsible it was for the father to take the 19 year old along with him for this expedition. But how do you know it wasn’t his idea? Perhaps it’s been a dream of his to do and he asked his dad to go with him.

I asked my dad to do a sky dive with me and although he wasn’t 100% keen, he went along with it for me.

Hooooping · 22/06/2023 12:08

I just hope the 19 year old isn't the only one still alive. Terrifying.

TheTERFnextDoor · 22/06/2023 12:08

If the sub is tangled in a net or something, would the electrics, and thus the computer etc, be working? I'm wondering if whatever has happened has been documented? Presumably, they have phones etc too for making videos too?

JeandeServiette · 22/06/2023 12:08

It's 12.08 now but the accuracy can't be high. There's still a chance they've conserved a few hours' oxygen (as well as the possibility it ran out some time ago).

NoClueAboutDecorating · 22/06/2023 12:09

otherwayup · 21/06/2023 22:37

Thread 3 😳 Ffs.

I'm totally sickened by the public and media's interest in this story.

Where's the hysteria when a migrant boat disappears at sea?
Why not the huge scramble of rescue crews desperately trying to save 100s of people, including babies and children?

Do only rich, white people matter?
They are under the sea because they chose to go on an extravagant and unnecessary trip.
Asylum seekers don't have such privileges.

This is a bit like answering 'all lives matter' when someone says black lives matter.

Of course people care.

There is always a different type of interest with these sorts of tragedies.

NutellaEllaElla · 22/06/2023 12:09

This thread is filling up now

Pedallleur · 22/06/2023 12:10

How long a weather window have they got?

Kate3150 · 22/06/2023 12:11

I can’t take my eyes off any updates now we’ve gone past 12.08

Snowy2022 · 22/06/2023 12:11

Sunshineishere1988 · 22/06/2023 12:05

I think time has run out sadly (as much as I want to believe they will be found).

I get that explorers will always want to push the boundaries and the limits, but I cannot understand the 19 year old wanting to take the risk at such a young age. The others have lived (and it sounds like incredibly interesting lives), but the 19 year old was just beginning his life. I just think its never worth the risk at that age, especially with what sounds like no back-up plan if everything goes wrong.

Very sad for them all, especially the 19 year old and all the families waiting for them.

THIS IS MY VIEW WHICH I AM ENTITLED TO:

My issue with the 19 yo is sadly family dynamics. Since they are a wealthy family (dad's wealth) the mother seems to be a passenger in this marriage. MOST mothers will not allow their 19 yo to go to the titanic- money or no money, safe or not safe.

Here also, as father was VP of his dad (grand father)'s company, the 19 yo is really his heir- also another reason why they should not have gone together. It is the grandfather I feel sorry for!

3luckystars · 22/06/2023 12:11

Maybe there is a chance for them that the oxygen will last longer at those depths, I’m clutching at straws but I’m still staying hopeful for a miracle.

SheilaFentiman · 22/06/2023 12:12

"I get what you're saying but the company didn't even tell the coast guard there was an issue for eight hours. So it seems like lost time."

They had lost comms with the sub on prior missions, so it was only when it did not come back up that they alerted the authorities

I expect that the authorities would have waited (certainly not started gathering ROVs etc) until that time anyway, given a comms malfunction is the most likely cause. Same as MH370 - when it first went dark, the presumption would have been a comms issue

Snowy2022 · 22/06/2023 12:14

Also the Harding chap is obsessed with breaking world records he took his son to the South Pole so snow named as the youngest to go there.

The Dad of 19 yo may have also wanted his 'young' son to have done things out of reach for even most people in their 50s, 60s, etc. Who knows mother was also probably excited at the prospect.