Missing Titan Sub! Thread 3

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OP of the last thread has said she has to pop out so making this one as we’re almost full on the 2nd thread.

I cannot stop thinking about these poor men.

"Someone hours ago summed it up well for me:
It's like looking in an area the size of Wales, in the pitch dark and under deep freezing water for something the size of a small van. With a torch."

Yep.

Months of searching didn't find the much larger MH370.

The sea is big. Really big.

I do if it seems people with no idea are weirdly claiming they would run it better.

Must keep you busy then.

Excellent summation. Thank you.

It’s horrific that they can hear banging but can’t locate the sub.

It feels so near yet so far.

Yes. L'atlante set off on Tuesday, apparently, and arrived this morning.

I said similar. However, they are apparently very sure the sound is from underneath the ocean and not on top.

Yes I think that's very true. And people wondering and hoping about missing boats must have a very long history.

Where would you have deployed it?

How would you have got it to the coast?

It's 400 miles from land to the sea above the Titanic, no one knows if they are anywhere near the actual site or have been pushed by currents somewhere else.

It could also be at any depth.

It takes time to get somewhere in a boat / ship. Crossing the channel takes about 1'5 hours, that's only 20 miles.

It is.

Gossiping and sharing information is one of the great evolutionary advantages. It was for this very purpose that we developed complex language. It bonds a tribe together and helps each individual keep themselves and each other safe.

(Grooming, Gossip and the Evolution of Language - Robin Dunbar)

There's been a number of hugely informative posts from people who work in marine surveying and have sonar experience etc, I personally feel I have learnt a lot.

Indeed
This has upset me most I think.

I just have a feeling the banging is the titanic itself. For them to still be alive and alert enough to be banging for aid, seems so far fetched now. It's awful.

Agree - there has been some really interesting information shared and it does help to develop a deeper understanding of the situation.

I think the point about having a second sub on site is that that should have been a minimum for them to operate their service. At least so that they could follow and understand what had gone wrong. But it sounds like Titan had frequent glitches and communications problems so the company had developed a tolerance for below par performance and operating failures. A culture that becomes inured to risks over time doesn’t put enough priority on the minimum standards for safety and preservation of life. The culture came from the top in a cavalier and jovial attitude that should have been a serious matter of concern for anyone going aboard his vessel.

They were navigating via text from the support vessel!

I thought this, too - that some current may be causing a banging sound. I would have thought that even if anyone was still alive in that dreadful little craft, they would be too weak to continue trying to signal.

We can't know, of course - and where there is life there is always hope.

Same here. In amongst the berating migrant posts and other stuff there has been really good info

I didn’t know fully about the 30 min thing for example, and other posts

I don't think the banging has been heard for a day or two now?

@MeinKraft ah I'm not sure. There was a poster up thread that said it has been heard again recently.

It's not even just that, it's that there aren't many vessels that can withstand the conditions at that depth, its hugely and ridiculously hostile- most vessels are unmanned and for very good reason. There also aren't a tonne of bits of kit that can accurately work at this potential depth, hence the very global effort and allocation of resources; further complicated by the fact that most of these things aren't on standby ready to go just in case as they're usually used for planned 'missions'- mixed with the logistical complexities of transporting these things and the sensitivities involved its really hard. Sonar etc all has its limits.

Even if they're close to the surface the search as you have said isn't easy, it's a huge area and it cannot breach the surface by itself, so even if it has risen up it'll be under the surface and due to its colour not easy to see. Without knowing what happened there are several scenarios of which change the search area a fair bit, and even if located it'll take time to safely save them. Even with the correct hoists you have to be so careful not to damage the vessel, and you can't transfer people underwater at that depth or anywhere near- it would have to be raised up in tact with not any damage at all which is no mean feat.

As they weren't reported missing essentially they were already 24 hours (I think it was that long but maybe a bit less) ahead of any rescue attempts, that's a long time in this scenario. If there were attempts to deploy any of the features installed to get it to the surface they might not even be flat they could be on their side and all piled up. It's truly awful.

Of course this is where internet and social media are a double edged sword.. one one hand it bonds us, in another way it binds us. My guess is a decade or so ago something like this could have happened and the world would have been oblivious. In today’s world we have a BBC live stream for every tragedy and a growing mental health crisis.. 9/11 is my first memory of that level of coverage (and just to be clear I’m not comparing incidents but media coverage). Then it was seismic, now it’s normalised.

It’s been reported as being heard as recently as yesterday, and at 30 minute intervals which is exactly what the French gentleman would know to do.

They have said that it’s unlikely to be debris/the Titanic because of it being repeated every 30 minutes.

To bang at particular time intervals is a common survival technique as it can often be identified as being 'purposeful' rather than naturally occurring noise which by its nature tends to be more random. I can't say of course in this case as I haven't heard it and of course don't have the Intel, but generally speaking its a well known tactic.

Yes but they can’t just parachute it out of the plane - it will have to go in a support ship to get to the site -400 miles off the North American coast and to operate it.

Didn't see that! Would be great if it's true though.

@Snowy2022 do the US have jurisdiction to prosecute though? This is in international waters and there's not any international laws which prevent people from doing this. There would also be no proving what the passengers did and didn't know about the safety concerns of the Titan. The CEO would also have made the final decision about whether it was safe to launch. There wouldn't have been anyone to override him even if they wanted to.

I could see regulations being brought in following this and some overseeing authority which test the safety of similar Subs.

I could also see the company folding after this - their safety record is shot and they have lost their CEO.

But beyond suing for the costs of the rescue - which would bankrupt the company for sure - I don't see how they can punish anyone criminally.