Missing Titan Sub! Thread 3

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OP of the last thread has said she has to pop out so making this one as we’re almost full on the 2nd thread.

I cannot stop thinking about these poor men.

Just posting this here too.

Footage of the 1980s sub used when they found the risk starts about 7.00

m.youtube.com/watch?v=8IXrA2AC9X0&pp=ygUXdGl0YW5pYyBkaXNjb3ZlcnkgMTk4NSA%3D

I’m still hopeful and will be until either they are found or the search is called off 🤞

You'd hope that was the case, the families deserve to be told first and not via the media.

It seems like even if they're located now chances of survival would be minute sadly.

hoping and praying that by the end of this thread we have had some good news 😔 the fact they heard more banging noises today was encouraging but there’s so little time left it feels hopeless.

I saw a post on FB that quoted the CEO as telling CBS News: ' at some point safety is just pure waste... I think I can do this just as safely by breaking the rules'. Obviously I don’t know if that is accurate & even if he was very cavalier nobody deserves this fate. The reason I'm posting is that I think this sad event shows that we CANNOT 'break rules' in the sense of physics, human biology etc - either deep seas or deep space.

Thank you - I was the one who mentioned the Mary Rose, but I am happy to be corrected.

Every day is a school day on MN - there has been some really interesting information shared on here.

This just keeps getting more worrying as the hours pass.

Everyone in this kind of situation is just a small, powerless human. Regardless of who they were when they paid for the tickets, they are just the same as any of us would be right now.

This is so true.

Every one of us is powerless in the face of Nature.

If they can't get it back can they ban other people from going to look at it?

Those poor men and their families. It doesn't bear thinking about.

I'm another one that just cannot understand the callousness of some posters continually mentioning the missing men are billionaires. It's a dreadful way to think.....that the value of someone's life is dependent upon how much money they have in the bank.

Thank you, too @meditrina - I somehow missed your link.

Who would "they" be? It's in international waters. Sure, an individual country could pass a law restricting operation of submersibles at the Titanic wreck site, but people in other countries can ignore such a law.

No regulations. It's not like aircraft or surface ships which are covered by aviation and maritime laws. International waters and if your home made boat sinks it's hard luck. You hope people have done the maintenance etc but it's like space, a hazardous environment that you don't take for granted. They aren't coming back alive if at all. Someone has to get a rescue vehicle down there, find the sub, assess the issues and prob get one go at freeing them, assuming it's where they think it is and not crushed flat
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It may be a dumb question but they keep saying how big the search area is, yet surely they knew what point they entered the water so it's in that general area? They also know exactly where the titanic lays, so is it because they may have drifted so far from their planned course that the search party is struggling? Apologies for my ignorance, just trying to understand.

I'm not sure how. There would need to be some sort of patrol on the area, wouldn't there? I doubt it would be practical, though I suppose they could ban commercial enterprises.

But as Judge Judy says, "You can't stop stupid". I'm not saying these individuals were stupid, though I think they were reckless, they will have relied on the CEO giving them accurate information, and would have been reassured by the fact that he was there, too.

Hubris - thinking he knew better than the science - that's what has done this.

Currents could have carried it in almost any direction. It is pitch black down there, too, and the subm may have drifted under part of the Titanic itself, and not be in open view even if they are in the right area.

All these threads and discussion elsewhere just seems a bit ghoulish at this point. It’s understandable that people are interested, but this seems like the internet equivalent of people waiting outside mines and such for the bodies to be brought out.

Because let’s be honest, no-one actually thinks that there is the slightest chance these men are going to be found alive do they? People hope they are, but realistically we all know that’s unlikely, so in truth we’re just waiting for the reports that the sub has been found along with the victims, or that the search has now been called off.

FWIW I’m not criticising the threads as I think that there has been some really interesting information on them. But when you take a step back it just seems like we’re being witness to a horrible tragedy and having an interesting discussion while we wait for it to unfold.

Als- it is grey, so even if it is on the surface it won't be very visible.

I found this a useful and interesting summary. There seem to have been so many near misses with this in the past, it's astonishing it couldn't be stopped.

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Thanks meditrina! I knew if I went back to look at who it was, I would lose my post :-)

@MayThe4th

That's basically all news is - nobody needs to follow any story they're not perfectly affected by.

There's nothing wrong with people being interested as long as it's respectful

It's an interesting topic. We hope they'll be alive. Probably not. Still fascinated by finding out more of what it's like on the sub, the lawsuit, other shipwrecks, the titanic, the ocean... this is not something that happens every day.

I think people are more curious about what happened rather than whether they have died or not (if that makes sense- of course I'm sure most people are aware there are lives at stake and want a positive outcome). The ocean and Titanic are fascinating and its interesting to hear the science around a lot of it and the history of the company.

I'm definitely encouraged by the co-ordinated banging sounds. All is not lost; these men have over 12 hours of oxygen left.

I do take your point, and I can only speak personally.

Yes my logical brain knows there is no hope of them being found alive, or even at all. But another part of me is still hoping.

I don’t know these people, but I feel unsettled and upset at what they may be going through right now if they are still alive and conscious. I am a mum, like many of us, and the thought of a mum somewhere waiting for news of her son, and her husband, is upsetting to me. I also live alone, so have nobody to chat to about this in “real life” and think out loud with, as is human nature I suppose. People the whole world over are watching, and hoping, and this is a place to discuss the news with some of them.

There has been a lot of information on here, some really informative and easier to access than scrolling news channels.

I don’t know if that makes it right or not, just a poor explanation of why I’ve been refreshing the threads today and posting when I can.

In evolutionary terms discussion/ gossip/ speculation is a life-saving trait. It enables people to determine what is dangerous and how, shared information educates and protects, people are able to speculate (and may be wildly wrong), but also work out how to respond appropriately if something similar happened again eg "If the cause is X we could do Y, but if it is A, it would be better to do B. Don't do C, whatever you do!" etc

It is hard-wired into us and is why we speculate and gossip. Although we are a clever species, evolution still holds on to us, because we never know when we'll need that little bit of knowledge.