Missing Titan Sub! Thread 3

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OP of the last thread has said she has to pop out so making this one as we’re almost full on the 2nd thread.

I cannot stop thinking about these poor men.

What stream are you trying to follow?

And fwiw I wasn’t criticising people for posting on the threads. After all I am posting on it.

I was just saying that when we take a step back it’s almost like a fascination exercise, and it’s easy to forget that there are humans at the centre of it.

BBC News, I can't get it to load.

Could it be because they have some of the most technologically advanced tools already and throwing more, potentially inferior equipment at it would add to the chaos but not increase the chances of success? Having loads of different crews to coordinate and keep safe sounds like a problem in the making.

@YoSof I agreed with you on what you said. If they cannot be rescued then the best possible hope is that it all happened too quickly for them to realise.

That's not a cruel hope- it's a humane hope.

Not necessarily. Decomposition releases CO2. High CO2 levels are as dangerous as low oxygen. Plus, the air would be almost unbreathable. And psychologically, it would be torture.

If there are any survivors, they will be irreparably damaged.

It would be an absolute miracle at this stage if the sub is able to be recovered 💔 I really don't know if the sub could be lifted 13,000 feet from the ocean floor, if that is where is is situated currently.

Completely untrue. The US and Canada are working together along with a French vessel. The people that made that claim are just sour grapes because they want in on the search but a) their equipment is not needed because they already have better on site and b) they are too far away.

In fact, the US asked the French vessel to join when they knew it wasn’t too far away.

Even if they are unable to save them, I do hope that valuable knowledge has been gained by those attempting the rescue and that knowledge may be able to be used in any future rescue attempts in disasters at sea and save lives.
I imagine this is as scenario that could never be practiced but just hope that at least something positive can come out so horrible . Hope that makes sense.

Quite a few search and rescue boats en route now on marine traffic site.

If they are not rescued within the oxygen window, I'd hope the experts will say that the sub imploded on descent resulting in instant death. Thus the transponders/beacons could not work.

In fact if they are not rescued, I really hope it was instant. The other scenario is too horrific to think about.

@Wiltson, what evidence do you have to support your claim that the US has or is turning down help? As far as I know the US is spearheading the rescue but Canada is heavily involved and now so are the French. It does sound like the US has the most advanced equipment so would be best placed to help if a rescue is on. Other parties may hinder.

That's not what the press are reporting. The press claim the Magellan equipment is actually superior to the US equipment. Magellan's equipment can allegedly operate down to 5,000m whereas the US equipment only to 3,000m. Magellan digitally mapped the entire Titanic area last summer down to the inch.

If it's true that the US refused their help, it seems rather foolish. Surely all hands on deck (pardon the pun) is better given the circumstances.

It's not just the oxygen supply.

It's also water - no word on how much they carried as emergency reserve. If it runs out, dehydration begins at about 24 hours, becomes serious by 2 days, and most die in 2-4 days.

Also, depending on the construction of the vessel, and whether they have a power supply, hypothermia. The water temperature is about 2 C. Once the vessel starts cooling down to that temperature inside, then you're probably looking at max 6-9 hours (ish) survival

You know it’s not just billionaires who are involved in disasters at sea !! I was talking about those attempting the rescue may gain valuable knowledge that may help anyone involved in a disaster at sea, no matter of their financial status!!

Yes, I saw those reports too, and didn't quite know what to make of them. Especially as they said Magellan has a winch

That won’t happen. The rescue teams will have an obligation to contribute truthfully to a report.

The thing is ocean currents can be a few miles an hour. Doesn't sound like much but 1 mph over 2 days takes the sub 48 miles from where it was last located, and the direction and speed of the currents at depth are unknown.

That checks out with the "area the size of Connecticut" statement - that state is about 90x50 miles.

And underwater, best case scenario if it's very clear and the vehicle has a good spotlight, visibility is about 1/10th of a mile. Meanwhile active sonar has trouble distinguishing the missing sub from any other bit of debris or rocks.

If the submersible is found with the occupants alive, they can probably be rescued. On the surface is somewhat straightforward. At depth, unstick the sub from whatever it's stuck on - which OK, needs to be done carefully to avoid damage - and it can surface by itself.

Finding it is the problem.

I was reading Our Wives Under The Sea when this kicked off… anyone read it? 😳

Can’t believe it’s still ongoing 😔

If they're equipped with 96 hours of oxygen 'just in case' you'd hope they'd also be equipped with some extra water, just in case.

Perhaps a bit woo for this thread, but I’d hope that there might be some calming influence from titanic ghosts to help these men in their hour of need , even if it’s just in their heads. Or maybe a long dead granny to give a bit of comfort.

I still thing there’s a chance! Hope is a wonderful thing. There have been some amazing rescue and recovery situations where people survived against all odds. Maybe they had a stash of water. Maybe they took sleeping pills to knock themselves out and conserve oxygen…maybe they are on the surface already….

This isn't a tragedy.

It's statistically a logistical outcome of multiple dangerous expeditions - any one of which had a high probability of failure.

That doesn't mean it's not very sad for the families involved.

I'd like to see a good outcome but that's very, very, very unlikely (times twenty "very").

I saw a picture last night of the layout inside. Only one person can sit with their legs out stretched, everyone else has to crouch. Plus the bottom of the ocean being pitch black. The sheer discomfort must be agony. Someone previously mentioned writing notes for your loved ones - they may not have any light to do that. The conditions are horrific. I'd like to hope they've all just fallen asleep because the sheer terror of being the last one alive in this conditions is unimaginable. I remember a survivor of the Tallinn disaster saying he was the last one to stay alive in the life raft. That's always stayed with me, the true loneliness/aloneness. Awful.