Missing Titanic Submarine- new thread

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I see the first one is full, is there a new one?

I seen on Twitter the step son of one of the men on board went to the Blink concert. He said its what he would have wanted him to do. He Tweeted from the concert.

Don't know what to make of that to be honest.

I'd rather go to a gig than sit around waiting for news that we all know is likely to be bad

If there's some sort of electrical problem then it would both lose propulsion and comms. It could surface, unless it's also entangled or stuck on something.

Or it could implode or flood, either because of a design flaw or a crash. Apparently this thing has crashed into the Titanic wreck before? Very careless and clumsy piloting if true.

I was reading about one of the earliest deep submersibles, the 1930s Baythsphere. That was a cable-supported sphere and when it was hauled up from one unmanned test it was intact but full of water. On the inside, a small leak would be like the jet from a powerful pressure washer, killing or seriously injuring the occupants before they drowned. A very grim way to go if something similar happened on the Titan.

I know someone who was involved in firefighting on Navy ships. It's a massive and very very real risk. Anything with electrical systems and flammable objects can experience smoke and fire. And with limited air and nowhere to go, it's pretty terrible.

Yes there's a legal waiver but the organisers surely downplayed it. I signed a waiver when I did a bungee jump, something hundreds of thousands of people, there is an inherent risk there but statistically about 0.001%. That of course is a common activity not a trip on an experimental vehicle.

Waivers are interesting because different countries have different rules. My understanding in NZ, for example, is that we were allowed to do more dangerous things because NZ courts limit damages and support waivers. So it's on you. In the US, with massive damages, companies tend to be more cautious. I don't know where the company will be sued by the families, where is it based?

Expensive and risky, but ostensibly no different than visiting the ruins of a castle that's been surveyed multiple times and had a 3D model of it created.

Not at all like visiting a castle ruin. They had an extreme interest in the field of travelling vast ocean depths; one had set a record. Some had visited titanic before. A bit beyond tourism.

This ABC news journalist was on Newsnight tonight telling his story of how the craft he was in got stuck in the propeller 😨. Horrific what went through his mind. This was 20 years ago and he was the science editor. This article says he did it despite being terrified of water.

https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/stuck-propeller-titanic-former-abc-001553378.html

Yes, they may perish in their adventure. But they may not, and hence live a life of wonder and excitement. The alternative is to never take any risks and live a life of vicariously living through others. i know which side I am on.

No, the alternative is to carefully research potentially risky endeavors instead of blindly jumping in. Based on the documented problems and safety risks with this sub operation, I don’t see how anyone sensible would proceed.

Realistically they're not going to be saved.

im more stressed about this submersible than my own life right now

Buit this is not a submarine with all its equipment and comms, it is a submersible roughly the size of a mini van.

Reading for updates

I mean, take a tour of this thing:

I think the process of earning a great fortune, and then living with immense wealth, fundamentally changes these men's perception of risk and also gives them a need to thrill seek. It's a dangerous combination.

Sorry if this has been mentioned, but there has been talk of it floating around the Atlantic, and the passengers not able to open the hatch ( that's terrifying), but surely it has something like an EPIRB on it. A transponder that beeps to a satellite to say here I am. Surely.surely. surely

This is the most extraordinary story. I didn't even know you could do this.

Really hoping for a miracle for the 5 on board.

I read that not only is there not a beacon, there's not a hatch. Maybe someone better informed can clarify, but I'm assuming they take the whole end of the vehicle off and then bolt it back on with the passengers on board?

According to a chap who has been on board the Titan: "To keep give the hull as much integrity as possible, Stockton designed the titanium door to be bolted on to the front of the carbon fiber sub from the outside, and that gives it a nearly perfect pill shape to withstand the depths. Unfortunately, it means someone needs to be outside the sub with a specialty power tool to unscrew the huge bolts and open the door."

Yes, the CBS reporter who went on it last year said it was scary. That the waiver mentioned the risk of death 3 times on the first page, and they couldn't get themselves out.

They climbed in, and then the port was screwed shut from the outside with 17 bolts.

Sorry @milkyaqua cross post!

I believe, though not certain, that if it’s at the surface it should have equipment to signal it’s location.

Re the ‘type’ of person who does this, having spent a large part of my early life around people into mountaineering and solo adventures of various sorts, I can say that I think it’s a recognisable type of person who is both slightly detached and tends to view this type of extremity as real life and the rest of life as a shadow of it. It’s not unique to rich people. It’s not rational at all and no point trying to rationalise it in my opinion. The high altitude risks to the brain and lungs (HAPE and HACE) for example, are very real and once you understand that and make a decision to go anyway you’ve crossed a line that is no doubt exhilarating but it’s not a rational decision, we are literally not meant to be up there. Mountaineers always say this thing in answer to the question ‘why climb the mountain?’, often after some kind of disaster. The answer is ‘because it’s there’. It’s not a real answer, it’s quite empty really.

I thought yours added good detail! The horror of being inside a cylinder and bolted in with 17 bolts, like a coffin lid screwed shut....

I cannot imagine wanting to experience something like this to view a wreckage.

Oh god. So much of this seems foolhardy to my claustrophobic and non-engineering brain.

On the plus side, we haven’t had Peter Faulding turn up saying if they’re in the ocean then his company can find them.

I can say that I think it’s a recognisable type of person who is both slightly detached and tends to view this type of extremity as real life and the rest of life as a shadow of it. It’s not unique to rich people.

Really substantial funds must be a factor, though, in terms of access and opportunity.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12216977/Searchers-Titanic-Tourist-Sub-Heard-Banging-Area-Internal-Comms-Reveal.html. Just read this.