Missing Titanic Submarine- new thread

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I see the first one is full, is there a new one?

Well I don't think the waivers will hold up. Their safety engineer was sacked a few years ago, and whistleblew his concerns about the company's safety practices. They tried suing him, he counter sued, and they settle out of court.

I'm afraid it's really looking less and less hopeful.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.barrons.com/amp/news/titanic-sub-firm-fired-exec-who-raised-safety-concerns-suit-76fecfa4

I am following this story and I have to say, I sniff an ugly, classist stench of people implying that, as people in the vessel are basically wealthy, they deserve their destiny for taking such a stupid risk.

Throughout History, progress has relied in innovators, travellers and people of "crazy" ideas who were ready to put themselves at risk to follow them through. These people came from all socioeconomic strata of society. Some people put their lives at risk by trying to challenge themselves climbing a mountain (I do!). Others leave friends and family behind to discover new horizons. others jump on an extremely unseaworthy boat to try to reach the promised land of a country to have a better life for themselves and their children. Others visit amazing but dangerous places (such as active volcanoes, or deserts, or frigid cold places like Antarctica). Others spend their wealth risk their lives and integrity in missions that seem crazy to others.

Yes, they may perish in their adventure. But they may not, and hence live a life of wonder and excitement. The alternative is to never take any risks and live a life of vicariously living through others. i know which side I am on.

If I had that kind of money, I may be one who jumps in the Titanic submarine, or on a spaceship to the International Space Station. As things go, I have to be content with exploring my backward and trying to challenge myself to get higher, further and to more beautiful places. I do take all precautions (I am well trained, carry all my gear and a PLB), but eventually we can all get unlucky. I can fall of a high rock and kill myself. Or, you know, any of the comfy ones who criticise these guys can get run over by a car tomorrow while you cross the street. Do you think not doint great things in life protects yopu against an early death?

All choices are respectable, but what I do know is, the day I die I'd much rather leave an exciting life behind. Even if that means I leave this world in an imploding submarine caught on a sticking piece of the Titanic's bow. What a bloody amazing way to go! You guys can live to a hundred in a rest home telling the other residents about what you had for breakfast that morning, if you even remember that.

The goulish rubbernecking here is the insanely wealthy people going on a jolly tour of the wreckage of a massive human tragedy.

But she's right. There is less than 1% chance of survival now unless the sub is found on the surface. We can all pray for a good outcome, but it is incredibly unlikely they will survive now sadly

Yes, indeed. It’s awful but true.

Also, a journalist from CBS news went down on the sub last year and reported on it.

Now he's revealed on another day when he was actually on the mother ship, they still had contact with the sub, but they actually lost it for 5 hours. They them spoke about a safety locator beacon, but this was clearly never done.

https://twitter.com/Pogue/status/1670834475901632527

@EilonwyWithRedGoldHair I was about to say exactly that. Some of us have great anxiety about every situation because we always beleive the worst can happen. It's ignorant to think everyone believes it never will.

Auryane - but those explorers of the past were doing the work, making the inventions, that’s not the same as being a passenger. And other people have already invented better submarines which are used for scientific research. This submarine hasn’t developed any new technologies or carried out research.

Some of the "rich people" in the sub were paying for the research and development with their tickets. Research and product development needs investment, you know.

But it doesn’t sound like they were doing any meaningful research and development.

From the previous thread:

Morph22010 · Yesterday 21:42

I always roll my eyes at the reporting of anything to do with marine survey and the like.

The submersible will have a sonar beacon on it, which will ping. The mothership will have a receiver on its hull, which will pick up the pings.

There will be two types of GPS receiver on the mothership, the positions recorded accurately. The sonar receiver (USBL head) will also have been positioned accurately, in relation to the GPS receiver.

The USBL head has 5 prongs, which pick up the sonar signal. This enables it to collect the signal and allow a computer programme to work out where the beacon is in 3-D space, by means of multiple triangulations of the beacon's signal.

The submersible navigation systems and the mothership's positioning systems are two separate things.

It's easier to explain with diagrams...

I feel so bad for the teen. He won't have been emotionally mature enough to fully understand the risks of something like this.

God bless them all

I understand your sentiment - but the reality is that this "adventure" wasn't pushing boundaries in any scientific sense (just apparently appropriate testing and safety).

There is no merit in visiting the Titanic now on a manned mission.

We know where it is, why it sunk and how it ended up on the ocean floor. We have detailed 3D scans of the wreak.

This isn't a case of innovation and exploration.

It's a commercial operation to enable wealthy people to attain access to a very exclusive club of people who've dived to those depths (fewer than have been in space) for bragging rights.

I'm very sorry for the families involved but even some cursory googling explains not just the risks in general but specific concerns about this company and the viability of the sub.

If I'm risking my life (by this I mean a very, very high risk venture) I'm going to do my research and do it for something meaningful. So either these people didn't or they thought the risks were acceptable.

They aren't explorers. They are "risk" tourists who get kicks from going to places most sane people won't go, so they can gain status from their "achievements".

Might be a daft question/already covered as I haven't read previous thread or all of this one BUT

Does anyone know how this could happen/what are the potential reasons or causes? Is it just a crash or a technical malfunction, or can a submarine just get lost in the sea? I'd have thought a tracker would prevent this.

Again, my knowledge is so limited on this, I'm just baffled as to how a submarine can just go missing so easily!

I'm neither.

I'm very sad for the families involved.

I understand the most likely scenarios are:

Got tangled in something (possibly the titanic itself) and is now stuck

It crashed into something and subsequently imploded

There was a failure of some sort and it subsequently imploded

There was a fire on board

Or, possibly, they are bobbing on the ocean surface. But I’m not sure how long/if they could stay afloat without the landing pad.

They are explorers, some of them, with related interests. They've been down to the Titanic before, or similar depths. Hamish Harding has set records for depth travel. A bit beyond tourism.

@TokyoStories fab, thanks for your reply! The thought of it being stuck on the ocean floor is truly horrifying. Hopefully the crew live, but if not, hopefully it was quick for them and they weren't 'waiting' and aware 💔

My autistic 18 year old is emotionally mature enough to go "oh hell no" when he saw this story on the news. And he is usually absolutely blind to any sort of risk.

They went so that when they next held an event or a party they could brag they had seen the titanic. That's it.

What research and development? What more really needs to be researched on a boat which sank over 100 years ago? They went down there because they could, it was an adventure.

Why are people giving "fire" as one of the risks? How could that even happen on a submarine?!?

This "trip" had no scientific merit.

Exploration - finding something new. Nothing new to find here.

It was tourism. Expensive and risky, but ostensibly no different than visiting the ruins of a castle that's been surveyed multiple times and had a 3D model of it created.

Um, yes. Fire is very much a threat for submarines.