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Missing Titanic Submarine- new thread

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YoSof · 20/06/2023 22:37

I see the first one is full, is there a new one?

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EmmaGrundyForPM · 21/06/2023 04:50

I was hoping that the Titan had implodes and everyone was killed immediately. If the 'banging' is coming from the Titan, that means they are still alive but presumably can't be rescued in time.

So those poor people will be dying slowly.

Just awful

OnlyOpenMouthToChangeFeet · 21/06/2023 05:01

This is a report from the first journalist to ever travel to Titanic in a submersible 20 years ago. He was invited by Russians, and felt he couldn't say no. A current pushed them into the Titanic propeller blade, and they yard trapped for nearly an hour.

What I'm curious about though, is he said they were in constant communication with the surface the whole time.

When I first heard about the missing sub at the weekend, and they explained lack of GPS etc underwater, I assumed that was something they all had to overcome. But if the Russian sub was able to stay in constant contact 20 years ago, why couldn't this one?

The more I read, the more it seems corners have deliberately been cut, and sadly I think this was an accident waiting to happen.

https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/stuck-propeller-titanic-former-abc-001553378.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cubXVtc25ldC5jb20v&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAABUhb2Z5aExvroqfomAdwnHj7njXx-3OGPKRvR51150p0MZ4fAsI5iSo2Uz6UU9dqQ0m65Pjcya7MpF5wMocvK01MiLScPDmLf4nfvPldOHPovmHrhGRit1ReG9Fv4SgDiOdz9Dafhdio7-jP-wFRuBO5Dmr1IcXvbNytPgK_Loi

https://metro.co.uk/2023/06/20/titanic-sub-ceo-was-worried-about-resurfacing-18980155/

Stuck in the propeller of Titanic, former ABC News science editor recalls submersible trip to wreckage

As the search for the missing Titanic tour submersible and its five passengers continues, the dangers of venturing 13,000 feet down to the ocean floor to see the wreckage of the infamous sunken ship are coming to light. A former ABC News science editor...

https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/stuck-propeller-titanic-former-abc-001553378.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cubXVtc25ldC5jb20v&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAABUhb2Z5aExvroqfomAdwnHj7njXx-3OGPKRvR51150p0MZ4fAsI5iSo2Uz6UU9dqQ0m65Pjcya7MpF5wMocvK01MiLScPDmLf4nfvPldOHPovmHrhGRit1ReG9Fv4SgDiOdz9Dafhdio7-jP-wFRuBO5Dmr1IcXvbNytPgK_Loi

MySugarBabyLove · 21/06/2023 05:13

Let’s be honest though, the only reason why this is news is because people are fascinated by it.

The whole titanic story is something which fascinates people on so many levels, and so the idea of a sub being able to go down there is something which people will have found interesting, entertaining even. And now that those people have likely died it’s not actually about them, but about the sub.

I give 0 credence to the daily mail and am guessing that talk of banging is probably bollocks, but it keeps the fascination factor going.

This lot sound like a cowboy outfit, but tbh some people are addicted to danger almost to the point that they would be disappointed if it didn’t kill them one day.

It’s incomprehensible to think like that, but only someone who was prepared to die would get into a submersible, be bolted in from the outside, and then be sent 1300 meters down into the ocean. They live and die by the thrill.

OnlyOpenMouthToChangeFeet · 21/06/2023 05:24

MySugarBabyLove · 21/06/2023 05:13

Let’s be honest though, the only reason why this is news is because people are fascinated by it.

The whole titanic story is something which fascinates people on so many levels, and so the idea of a sub being able to go down there is something which people will have found interesting, entertaining even. And now that those people have likely died it’s not actually about them, but about the sub.

I give 0 credence to the daily mail and am guessing that talk of banging is probably bollocks, but it keeps the fascination factor going.

This lot sound like a cowboy outfit, but tbh some people are addicted to danger almost to the point that they would be disappointed if it didn’t kill them one day.

It’s incomprehensible to think like that, but only someone who was prepared to die would get into a submersible, be bolted in from the outside, and then be sent 1300 meters down into the ocean. They live and die by the thrill.

I've been watching American news channels, and a naval expert has apparently confirmed the banging in a government internal memo.

Kinsters · 21/06/2023 05:26

Yes, the banging is being widely reported now.

sashh · 21/06/2023 05:38

I have Youtube open and a CBS report came on.

They interviewed someone who had been on the Titan, he said there are about 7 ways it can surface, one of which occurs even if the crew are unconscious.

He said the sub lost contact 3/4 way down to the Titanic and that implied something catastrophic because both communication methods went at the same time.

FernGully43 · 21/06/2023 05:39

MostlyHuman · 21/06/2023 03:57

Ahhh headlines like this, how should you feel?! On one hand it's 'They're ALIVE maybe they can be RESCUED!' On the other it's 'They ARE alive, what if they CAN'T be rescued'😭

I've just woken up and read the news about the banging and this is exactly how I felt. Happy to read they're still alive but then the realisation that they're still alive...

MotherofGorgons · 21/06/2023 05:41

The banging is awful news.
This is really bringing out the worst in people. Had to unfollow a fair few people on social media who felt the need to joke about this whole affair.
I can't imagine the state of Mrs Dawood.

PurposefulBear · 21/06/2023 05:54

I‘m no expert but I can’t make all the reports add up.

  1. They lost comms around 3/4 the way down suggesting catastrophic failure, likely unsurvivable
  2. Banging has been heard from area on sea floor near the wreck
  3. they have seven flotation options on board but no sign of having surfaced, therefore raises possibility they are trapped near wreck, former passenger reported strong currents could have thrown them into it
  4. The company didn’t report the loss to the coastguard for several hours

If they lost contact 2/3 or the way down but banging is coming from near the wreck, could they actually have carried on their voyage after losing contact and THEN become trapped.. hence it was reported late?

Emotionalsupportviper · 21/06/2023 05:56

BreadInCaptivity · 20/06/2023 22:45

Submersible experts wrote to OceanGate CEO expressing concern
The New York Times has unearthed a 2018 letter sent by submersible experts to Stockton Rush, the CEO of OceanGate.
The authors of the letter expressed "unanimous concern" over the approach taken by OceanGate when building the Titan and warned of potential "catastrophic" issues with its design.
They also said OceanGate was making "misleading" claims about its design exceeding established industry safety standards and urged Rush to institute a prototype testing program reviewed and witnessed by an accredited registrar.
"It is our unanimous view that this validation process by a third-party is a critical component in the safeguards that protect all submersible occupants," the letter read.
The NYT said a spokesperson for OceanGate declined to comment

The NYT said a spokesperson for OceanGate declined to comment

I'll bet they did! 😠

MySugarBabyLove · 21/06/2023 05:56

I’m not convinced about the banging.

This is presumably a more or less sound proof device, it would have to be, because the sound down there would be deafening. And if you’ve ever listened to one of those clips where they’ve played sounds of the ocean there are a lot of noises which could be construed as banging. Whale noises, shifting of sand and rocks, even of the wreck of the titanic itself, or perhaps even the sub breaking up down below. But the idea that you would hear people banging to get out of what amounts to an oversized sardine tin is highly improbable.

Have just watched a news report on this, and the reality is that even if the sub is found, they’re unlikely to be able to rescue it because of the depth.

RiseYpres · 21/06/2023 06:00

FernGully43 · 21/06/2023 05:39

I've just woken up and read the news about the banging and this is exactly how I felt. Happy to read they're still alive but then the realisation that they're still alive...

yes, same,

The more I read about this the more horrified and claustrophobic and anxious I become.

I keep hoping for a miracle.... I remember sitting in our hotel bar on holiday watching and praying when the Thai children were being rescued from the cave. Thinking it was totally impossible and then a miracle in the form of human grit, expertise, endeavour and resilience saved them (RIP to Saman Kunan and Bleirut Pakbara the Thai rescue divers who tragically lost their lives Thanks ).

Based on that I keep telling myself miracles do happen.

Bless them all.

PurposefulBear · 21/06/2023 06:00

It doesn’t bear thinking about, but the apparent safety record of the firm and its management is really worrying

RiseYpres · 21/06/2023 06:01

miracles do happen... but it seems so unlikely I mean.

sunflowersunday · 21/06/2023 06:05

jellyminelli · 20/06/2023 22:53

"I am hoping that something catastrophic happened and they all died instantly"

Or that they can be saved?

Just an opinion but I think a rescue is highly unlikely. That submersible is gone.

Emotionalsupportviper · 21/06/2023 06:08

plantsandwich · 20/06/2023 23:50

@pushnpull Sorry! I was just doing ten things at once, I did know it was Robinson. I don't really understand why he's used to describe precarious situations, but thank you.
@jungleJ I did google the correct name! just when I came to ask about it I said the wrong one, sorry for confusion. I suffer from A.B.T (a bit thick) Wink
@ovahere sorry, I don't understand what you mean with that?

@notimagain that's likely exactly it. You can't break a law that's not even there. Can you imagine the parliamentary (or whatever) meeting 'Okay let's pass a law that it is not okay to get into a container made out of scrapyard findings and take very rich people to the bottom of the sea in it'..

The respondants would probably be like, 'Er, what?!'

And ask you've said there aren't any laws around things that (as far as legalities go) don't exist yet!

@EnthENd they realy really do! I am trying to imagine that CEO as a child! Sort of similar thinking to what @whatausername says. It's a similar (and much more tragic) situation to things like FyreFest and other events that have gone very wrong because people get above their station and let their desires rule their heads. I would also like to know when it was reported to the authorities. That must have been an awkward phone call.

I really really hope they don't die, I know the outcome is looking bleak for this. But Oceangate, they need to be bloody stopped!

@mommas that's more or less what I said. Having a lot of money doesn't stop them being as human as me or my next door neighbour or the bloke who works at Sainsbury's, in terms of how they or their families feel about love and loss and their lives. My life isn't less valuable than someone far less wealthy than me. And such a horrible way to die (unless it imploded before they knew anything was wrong and it was very quick, I suppose).

I do agree that others absolutely should not engage in very risky activities in order to save them though. We don't need any more people in this sort of situation.

I really think hope this is going to be one of those 'disasters' that is used to 'learn things from' perhaps not to let 'ambitious' idiots with ideas above their station do whatever they want, but it won't happen. We can't regulate things we don't know about and don't yet have laws for. Then again, as previously mentioned, without disasters like this, how would we ever learn anything? £ or not, these are just a few people in the great scheme of things (not that I think that way, I very much do not)!

Thank you for that information @bharath
@never I would never ever 'let' a relative of mine do this, even if they had more money than anyone else in the world I would do absolutely anything I could to make sure they didn't. I really am not just saying that because of this, I have respect for the ocean but am also terrified of it. It's so easy to forget we're animals at the end of the day, mere mortals who are here 'but by the grace of'. It's such a dangerous thing to do :(

@ellie I think you're right. It does make sense that they didn't get the funding and thought 'fuck it, this one'll do'.

@shelly and @crunchy I do feel that no matter whether it was a random and unpredictable failure or not, those other four men could easily turn on Stockton for 'putting them in that situation'. Of course they signed up for it knowing the risks but they'll be desperate and emotional.

@BreadInCaptivity thank you for that information. What irresponsible people [sad

@TequilaQueen well to be fair. for all we know it could have been the 19 year old's idea if he's fascinated with the titanic or such and his Dad may have just gone along to be with him. But I know what you mean-your idea seems a more likely situation. At 17 my Mum asked me to fly out to be with her in turkey and I just went, because it was my Mum. I trusted her even though I didn't want to go particularly. A lot of young adults do things because their parents want them to at that sort of age Sad

@pushnpull Sorry! I was just doing ten things at once, I did know it was Robinson. I don't really understand why he's used to describe precarious situations, but thank you.

Apologies if this has been addressed, but are you referring to Heath Robinson?

He was a cartoonist who used to draw/ design the most extraordinary, complicated machinery to perform the simplest of tasks eg pour a cup of tea. His name slipped into legend when it began to be used for any shaky, overly complicated, put-together-out-of-stuff-from-the-shed sort of machines.

MrsTerryPratchett · 21/06/2023 06:09

MySugarBabyLove · 21/06/2023 05:56

I’m not convinced about the banging.

This is presumably a more or less sound proof device, it would have to be, because the sound down there would be deafening. And if you’ve ever listened to one of those clips where they’ve played sounds of the ocean there are a lot of noises which could be construed as banging. Whale noises, shifting of sand and rocks, even of the wreck of the titanic itself, or perhaps even the sub breaking up down below. But the idea that you would hear people banging to get out of what amounts to an oversized sardine tin is highly improbable.

Have just watched a news report on this, and the reality is that even if the sub is found, they’re unlikely to be able to rescue it because of the depth.

Why would it be soundproof? If submarine films have taught us anything it's that sound travels exceptionally well from subs. So much so that people have to whisper to avoid detection.

TheCheeseTray · 21/06/2023 06:11

MySugarBabyLove · 21/06/2023 05:56

I’m not convinced about the banging.

This is presumably a more or less sound proof device, it would have to be, because the sound down there would be deafening. And if you’ve ever listened to one of those clips where they’ve played sounds of the ocean there are a lot of noises which could be construed as banging. Whale noises, shifting of sand and rocks, even of the wreck of the titanic itself, or perhaps even the sub breaking up down below. But the idea that you would hear people banging to get out of what amounts to an oversized sardine tin is highly improbable.

Have just watched a news report on this, and the reality is that even if the sub is found, they’re unlikely to be able to rescue it because of the depth.

Sound travels much much better in water especially saltwater than air. Banging is the best way to communicate if the comms have failed

Emotionalsupportviper · 21/06/2023 06:11

OnlyOpenMouthToChangeFeet · 21/06/2023 00:03

Also, a journalist from CBS news went down on the sub last year and reported on it.

Now he's revealed on another day when he was actually on the mother ship, they still had contact with the sub, but they actually lost it for 5 hours. They them spoke about a safety locator beacon, but this was clearly never done.

https://twitter.com/Pogue/status/1670834475901632527

Apparently every time it has gone down they have lost communication contact for a number of hours. This was why there was a delay reporting it missing - it was very much "business as usual".

BookLover7777 · 21/06/2023 06:16

MySugarBabyLove · 21/06/2023 05:56

I’m not convinced about the banging.

This is presumably a more or less sound proof device, it would have to be, because the sound down there would be deafening. And if you’ve ever listened to one of those clips where they’ve played sounds of the ocean there are a lot of noises which could be construed as banging. Whale noises, shifting of sand and rocks, even of the wreck of the titanic itself, or perhaps even the sub breaking up down below. But the idea that you would hear people banging to get out of what amounts to an oversized sardine tin is highly improbable.

Have just watched a news report on this, and the reality is that even if the sub is found, they’re unlikely to be able to rescue it because of the depth.

I've just read the noise is being heard at 30-minute sharp intervals, which is a classic SOS pattern in this kind of situation.

I just can't even. Knowing they are alive and banging for help. They must be desperate and panicked and losing hope.

sanabria · 21/06/2023 06:17

OytheBumbler · 20/06/2023 23:29

Best case scenario is that they're bobbing around on the ocean surface somewhere🤞

Doesn't matter if they are at the surface, washed up on a beach, or at the bottom of the ocean. They are bolted in from the outside. They have no way of escaping and their oxygen will still run out.

Emotionalsupportviper · 21/06/2023 06:17

aurynne · 21/06/2023 00:20

Some of the "rich people" in the sub were paying for the research and development with their tickets. Research and product development needs investment, you know.

What "research and development"?

They didn't even keep the submersible up to current specs, let alone "develop" further safety features. This isn't courage - it is recklessness.

I'm sure none of the passengers will have been aware of the owner's cavalier attitude to safety, especially the man who took his son with him. Many people are compelled somehow to seek out danger, but they wouldn't subject their child to those risks.

YouLittlePlonka · 21/06/2023 06:19

Please PLEASE let us all see a happy miracle today!! 🙏 ❤ I've not given up hope, however desperate it is

CrunchyCarrot · 21/06/2023 06:19

Woke up to the news of 'banging' apparently heard - honestly my heart sank because it means they could still be alive now and trapped, fully aware of their fate.

I don't see how they could be rescued at this point in time before the oxygen runs out, but there is a French ship there with robotic capability so who knows. It's a terrible tragedy, but unlike a PP who said earlier that the Titanic has claimed another victim, I'd say it's more a case of human arrogance due to not taking enough safety precautions, just as with the original ship that was 'unsinkable' and not provided with enough lifeboats. The fact that the company's CEO is on board means he thinks the vessel was safe enough and is blind to the risks.

If the sub is on the ocean floor I presume missions will be launched to try to retrieve it, even after the oxygen runs out. I can't see it being left there. There will be people who will want to know what went wrong, possibly so they can avoid making those mistakes 'next time'. I hope there isn't a next time, frankly.

I feel very sad in particular for the young man on board, but then in life so many people die young in all sorts of bad circumstances you would not wish on anyone.

BookLover7777 · 21/06/2023 06:23

Emotionalsupportviper · 21/06/2023 06:17

What "research and development"?

They didn't even keep the submersible up to current specs, let alone "develop" further safety features. This isn't courage - it is recklessness.

I'm sure none of the passengers will have been aware of the owner's cavalier attitude to safety, especially the man who took his son with him. Many people are compelled somehow to seek out danger, but they wouldn't subject their child to those risks.

Totally agree. This firm rakes in £1m per trip and it's sending customers 2.4 miles down into the ocean in what is essentially an unopened sardine can operated by a gaming controller that's not even a decent Xbox or Playstation one! If they were using the money for research and product development they would have a state-of-the-art submersible by now.

I hope they survive, then I hope the firm is shut down and sued.

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