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Missing Titanic Submarine- new thread

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YoSof · 20/06/2023 22:37

I see the first one is full, is there a new one?

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LuluBlakey1 · 20/06/2023 23:05

There is a horrible irony to all of this.

Hungrycaterpillarsmummy · 20/06/2023 23:06

It would be absolutely amazing if they did survive this and were found. I am so hoping for a miracle

pavillion1 · 20/06/2023 23:09

can i join ? ive read some of the other thread but couldn't think of anything useful to say, i still cant tbh but im fascinated by what is going on right now .

Iridescentsy · 20/06/2023 23:11

jellyminelli · 20/06/2023 23:04

"There is almost zero chance of rescue now I would imagine, unless it has surfaced and is found in the next few hours

An instant death is probably the best we can hope for at this stage."

Confused did you just write that? I haven't followed the other threads, just came across this in active but I assume the earlier posters FFS comment relates to comments like this!

There’s been much worse. The poster whose DH “lost” 2 young relatives on titanic. The excited countdowns for the number of hours of air left. Ridiculous over the top sentiments about how titanic is claiming more victims and bollocks like that.

on the other hand, some incredibly interesting posts from people who work in similar areas about their own experience using specialist equipment. So it’s swings and roundabouts

SirQuintusAureliusMaximus · 20/06/2023 23:12

I think this is becoming ghoulish rubbernecking as everyone is waiting for the news they have been discovered and are dead. Whatever people say about holding out hope, I don't think realistically anyone thinks they will be found and recovered alive now. The equipment they need to bring it to the surface isn't even there yet apparently.

The Mail Online has an article about what happens to your body at that depth and temperature and how you die effectively. It's not pleasant reading so I'm not going to link to it. What is the point of an article like that? Imagine if their friends/family read it.

Meadowfly · 20/06/2023 23:14

I can’t comprehend why anyone would want to go and look at a shipwreck where so many lost their lives, let alone risk their lives, and potentially those of others trying to help them, and spend a fortune to do so. Was it just to be able to say they had done something that most people can’t do? Vanity? Or something else, I’m baffled. And the cost of the rescue mission- who is paying for that.

WibblyWobblyLane · 20/06/2023 23:14

I hate how the BBC seems to be luring in readers with a countdown to 5 people's potential death.

TokyoStories · 20/06/2023 23:16

WibblyWobblyLane · 20/06/2023 23:14

I hate how the BBC seems to be luring in readers with a countdown to 5 people's potential death.

They had a video of a reporter earlier with upbeat, dramatic music playing over the top Confused

Wasley · 20/06/2023 23:18

IfOnlyOurEyesSawSouls · 20/06/2023 23:03

They took a risk which they accepted.

The whole project was hideously wrong from the outset. It is a grave site which the company were using for their own greed .

I am finding it a struggle to have empathy for people who knowingly put themselves in this position.

People take a risk every time they get on any form of transport. No one thinks this will happen to them , only to other people. .

MCOut · 20/06/2023 23:19

Meadowfly · 20/06/2023 23:14

I can’t comprehend why anyone would want to go and look at a shipwreck where so many lost their lives, let alone risk their lives, and potentially those of others trying to help them, and spend a fortune to do so. Was it just to be able to say they had done something that most people can’t do? Vanity? Or something else, I’m baffled. And the cost of the rescue mission- who is paying for that.

This. I really do not understand. Then taking a 19 yo at that. I feel so sorry for his Mother.

pavillion1 · 20/06/2023 23:19

The BBC are just reporting a current News event , These 5 people have put themselves in this situation not the bbc or anyone else .

EnthENd · 20/06/2023 23:21

IfOnlyOurEyesSawSouls · 20/06/2023 23:03

They took a risk which they accepted.

The whole project was hideously wrong from the outset. It is a grave site which the company were using for their own greed .

I am finding it a struggle to have empathy for people who knowingly put themselves in this position.

I strongly suspect those on board didn't know the real risks.

Yes there's a legal waiver but the organisers surely downplayed it. I signed a waiver when I did a bungee jump, something hundreds of thousands of people, there is an inherent risk there but statistically about 0.001%. That of course is a common activity not a trip on an experimental vehicle.

Those on board would reasonably have expected, and were surely assured, that the organisers knew what they were doing. What's coming out now is a cavalier attitude. The company treating it like they were making some fun app or gadget, not a vehicle where one failure will get the people inside killed. Couldn't be bothered with proper safety checks, sacrificed on the techbro altar of "innovation". I doubt the crew of the ill-fated dive would easily have found the truth before they boarded.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-65960217

The interior of the Titan on a previous mission

Titan sub: Cramped vessel is operated by video game controller

The world's only privately owned manned submersible has a unique design and some surprising features.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-65960217

cakeorwine · 20/06/2023 23:21

The Mail online have half their front page devoted to it and Channel 4 had a news special on it.

Horrible way to go - and also knowing you were going to die and there was nothing you could do about it.

NotBotheredAnymore · 20/06/2023 23:22

The Mail Online has an article about what happens to your body at that depth and temperature and how you die effectively.

WTAF?? That's awful!

BluesandClues · 20/06/2023 23:24

I rewatched ’Titanic: Twenty years on’ where a crew went back down to the wreck for the first time in years.

The first guy went down in a mini sub, and at one point talked about a lot of the wreck being a mass of twisted wires and exposed beams. Then made a comment about being pushed into it by the current.

So many different things could have happened, I just hope that they’re found safe.

EilonwyWithRedGoldHair · 20/06/2023 23:25

Wasley · 20/06/2023 23:18

People take a risk every time they get on any form of transport. No one thinks this will happen to them , only to other people. .

Some things are (or feel, it's not always rational) riskier. Or, as in this case, if things go wrong you're at high risk of being in a situation where help cannot reach you, assuming you can even be found.

(And some of us don't think it'll never happen to us, and are on anxiety medication as a result)

bluewanda · 20/06/2023 23:28

It’s awful that the Titanic is still claiming lives to this day. Photos of the wreck are so unnerving and the accounts of shoes and other possessions that are still visible on the seabed is terribly sad.

There is reportedly a possibility the submarine could have become entangled in the Titanic itself as it tried to resurface, which doesn’t bear thinking about.

I hope and pray the passengers in the submarine are found alive but if not, I hope no one else attempts this dangerous mission again. It is clearly fraught with risks.

Skinnermarink · 20/06/2023 23:28

They know it’s not a rescue mission now I would think. Sadly they are probably now just exploring if or how it could be located at all and potentially recovered so there’s a tiny chance we might know what happened. I do think the likelihood is that we won’t, however.

OytheBumbler · 20/06/2023 23:29

Best case scenario is that they're bobbing around on the ocean surface somewhere🤞

EilonwyWithRedGoldHair · 20/06/2023 23:32

"I strongly suspect those on board didn'tknow the real risks."

I would imagine the CEO of the company joining you would help gloss over the risks.

DojaPhat · 20/06/2023 23:37

I'm not sure why people are so heavily focused on the regulations, safety procedures and insurance about this voyage. A billionaire doesn't live within those confines - they can tear up the rule book in much the same way toddlers handle party bags.

OvaHere · 20/06/2023 23:45

SirQuintusAureliusMaximus · 20/06/2023 23:12

I think this is becoming ghoulish rubbernecking as everyone is waiting for the news they have been discovered and are dead. Whatever people say about holding out hope, I don't think realistically anyone thinks they will be found and recovered alive now. The equipment they need to bring it to the surface isn't even there yet apparently.

The Mail Online has an article about what happens to your body at that depth and temperature and how you die effectively. It's not pleasant reading so I'm not going to link to it. What is the point of an article like that? Imagine if their friends/family read it.

It probably is ghoulish rubbernecking but I do find extreme adventurers fascinating. I also find tales of extreme mountaineering fascinating too -which began after reading Into Thin Air about the doomed 96 Everest expeditions.

In part I think it's because I'm fairly risk averse so the mindset needed for this sort of thing is so alien to me I can't help but find it very interesting.

The Mail being sensational is a given but I have learned quite a bit from knowledgeable posters on the last thread. I'm always amazed at the breadth of experience of people who post on MN.

Lastly, I suspect all the people on board were of a particular mindset. They were there to make history in one way or another. None of them would have wanted to be in this awful situation of course but I doubt they would prefer to be forgotten and unremarked on.

I don't mean that in an unkind way just an observation that people who don't want attention for epic adventures, good or bad, are people like me who stay at home on the sofa and read about it!

plantsandwich · 20/06/2023 23:50

@pushnpull Sorry! I was just doing ten things at once, I did know it was Robinson. I don't really understand why he's used to describe precarious situations, but thank you.
@jungleJ I did google the correct name! just when I came to ask about it I said the wrong one, sorry for confusion. I suffer from A.B.T (a bit thick) Wink
@ovahere sorry, I don't understand what you mean with that?

@notimagain that's likely exactly it. You can't break a law that's not even there. Can you imagine the parliamentary (or whatever) meeting 'Okay let's pass a law that it is not okay to get into a container made out of scrapyard findings and take very rich people to the bottom of the sea in it'..

The respondants would probably be like, 'Er, what?!'

And ask you've said there aren't any laws around things that (as far as legalities go) don't exist yet!

@EnthENd they realy really do! I am trying to imagine that CEO as a child! Sort of similar thinking to what @whatausername says. It's a similar (and much more tragic) situation to things like FyreFest and other events that have gone very wrong because people get above their station and let their desires rule their heads. I would also like to know when it was reported to the authorities. That must have been an awkward phone call.

I really really hope they don't die, I know the outcome is looking bleak for this. But Oceangate, they need to be bloody stopped!

@mommas that's more or less what I said. Having a lot of money doesn't stop them being as human as me or my next door neighbour or the bloke who works at Sainsbury's, in terms of how they or their families feel about love and loss and their lives. My life isn't less valuable than someone far less wealthy than me. And such a horrible way to die (unless it imploded before they knew anything was wrong and it was very quick, I suppose).

I do agree that others absolutely should not engage in very risky activities in order to save them though. We don't need any more people in this sort of situation.

I really think hope this is going to be one of those 'disasters' that is used to 'learn things from' perhaps not to let 'ambitious' idiots with ideas above their station do whatever they want, but it won't happen. We can't regulate things we don't know about and don't yet have laws for. Then again, as previously mentioned, without disasters like this, how would we ever learn anything? £ or not, these are just a few people in the great scheme of things (not that I think that way, I very much do not)!

Thank you for that information @bharath
@never I would never ever 'let' a relative of mine do this, even if they had more money than anyone else in the world I would do absolutely anything I could to make sure they didn't. I really am not just saying that because of this, I have respect for the ocean but am also terrified of it. It's so easy to forget we're animals at the end of the day, mere mortals who are here 'but by the grace of'. It's such a dangerous thing to do :(

@ellie I think you're right. It does make sense that they didn't get the funding and thought 'fuck it, this one'll do'.

@shelly and @crunchy I do feel that no matter whether it was a random and unpredictable failure or not, those other four men could easily turn on Stockton for 'putting them in that situation'. Of course they signed up for it knowing the risks but they'll be desperate and emotional.

@BreadInCaptivity thank you for that information. What irresponsible people [sad

@TequilaQueen well to be fair. for all we know it could have been the 19 year old's idea if he's fascinated with the titanic or such and his Dad may have just gone along to be with him. But I know what you mean-your idea seems a more likely situation. At 17 my Mum asked me to fly out to be with her in turkey and I just went, because it was my Mum. I trusted her even though I didn't want to go particularly. A lot of young adults do things because their parents want them to at that sort of age Sad

hindere · 20/06/2023 23:51

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SophiaElizabethGrace · 20/06/2023 23:53

hindere · 20/06/2023 23:51

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