Page 27 | Missing Titanic Submarine- new thread

YoSof · 2023-06-20T21:37:57+00:00

I see the first one is full, is there a new one?

EmmaGrundyForPM · 21/06/2023 14:14

Hohohogreenjennie · 21/06/2023 14:08

Sorry if this has already been mentioned upthread but in regards to the banging I read that it’s possible the banging was a direct current hitting or shifts through the wreckage of the Titanic. Apparently it happens a lot.

The banging was reported as being for 3 minutes every 30 minutes, which is a global distress signal for submariners.

if the banging was "random" then yes, could be anything

Carouselfish · 21/06/2023 14:17

The BBC science correspondent is a bit of a Clarkson style mansplainer...

SheilaFentiman · 21/06/2023 14:20

EmmaGrundyForPM · 21/06/2023 14:14

The banging was reported as being for 3 minutes every 30 minutes, which is a global distress signal for submariners.

if the banging was "random" then yes, could be anything

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I think CNN and Rolling Stone said that, but I am not sure if anything other than 'sounds' has been mentioned at a press conference

KnickerlessParsons · 21/06/2023 14:20

Peanutbutteryday · 21/06/2023 12:57

Does anyone know why the sub is grey and not orange?

I wondered that too. Anything that goes out to see should be brightly coloured IMO (except warships I suppose).

Peanutbutteryday · 21/06/2023 14:23

KnickerlessParsons · 21/06/2023 14:20

I wondered that too. Anything that goes out to see should be brightly coloured IMO (except warships I suppose).

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I can’t think of a single logical reason and have racked my brains! I’m trying to give them the benefit of the doubt in that there must be an actual reason why they didn’t go for a bright colour…

Coconutsandpalmtrees · 21/06/2023 14:24

They would definitely have run out of water by now. I can imagine they have started to drink their own urine will keep them alive for a bit longer.

chilledtuesdays · 21/06/2023 14:24

Harping · 21/06/2023 14:11

They are saying on sky news now that they do now have viable solution for bringing the sub to the surface. But I believe the timescale doesn’t really sound achievable unfortunately.

which is good if they know the exact location and can get to it quickly. But if they don't know where it is, no use.

DarrellRiversCriminalBehaviourOrder · 21/06/2023 14:25

Florissante · 21/06/2023 13:12

What's even more boring is posters gloating over the imminent deaths of five people because the latter are wealthy.

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That's not boring, it's just fucking sick.

I've been avoiding these threads because I suspected they'd be ghoulish and gleeful, with a mask of concern. I wasn't actually expecting the outright contempt for life because the passengers are wealthy, so it's even worse than I thought. I'm off now.

OvaHere · 21/06/2023 14:39

Peanutbutteryday · 21/06/2023 14:23

I can’t think of a single logical reason and have racked my brains! I’m trying to give them the benefit of the doubt in that there must be an actual reason why they didn’t go for a bright colour…

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It is a bit of a red flag. The subs used in the Cameron mission were bright orange I think and the one he used to go to the Mariana Trench was a neon green. I'm assuming that's purposeful design for visibility.

White doesn't seem sensible and only slightly better than choosing sea blue/green.

JeandeServiette · 21/06/2023 14:41

Harping · 21/06/2023 09:46

Isn’t sos just three short bangs. Three long ones and another three short.

but it sounds like this is not normal protocol in this situation

Get a fork now and try banging on something. It's not really possible to make long and short bang noises. Especially when banging as loudly as possible. You can vary the intervals between bangs but not the length of the bang noises.

One of them has a spanner or similar and is banging as hard as they can. They know the mothership is up there. They know there will be a rescue effort. They don't need to "raise the alarm" because they know they'll have been missed. They just need to make a noise that's loud and obviously man made (rhythmic and at set intervals).

SunnyEgg · 21/06/2023 14:43

DarrellRiversCriminalBehaviourOrder · 21/06/2023 14:25

That's not boring, it's just fucking sick.

I've been avoiding these threads because I suspected they'd be ghoulish and gleeful, with a mask of concern. I wasn't actually expecting the outright contempt for life because the passengers are wealthy, so it's even worse than I thought. I'm off now.

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Yeh I’d go with your phrasing too

RiseYpres · 21/06/2023 14:44

BIL is a mad keen sailor and he has often talked about how crazy it is that some of the 'cool' 'designer' oilskins used in sailing and off shore racing are black or dark grey. Whole crews are kitted out like this.

Not easy to see when a person goes overboard- which happens - often - and often fatally. Fine they have some reflective strips- but there is a reason why RNLI crews wear bright yellow and many brands do use bright yellow. (BIL does).

dark colours and grey (or white) means that you simply cannot see something easily- even if it is right in front of you. Why are fish/ sharks/ whales that colour after all? For camouflage.

hotpotlover · 21/06/2023 14:48

I really hope they can be rescued in time. It's basic humanity, it doesn't matter that they are billionaires and that they were reckless.

I also hope that no other people will lose their lives while trying to rescue them. It seems to be such a dangerous operation.

If they are rescued, they should have to pay back the cost of the rescue mission.

OnlyOpenMouthToChangeFeet · 21/06/2023 14:49

JeandeServiette · 21/06/2023 14:41

Get a fork now and try banging on something. It's not really possible to make long and short bang noises. Especially when banging as loudly as possible. You can vary the intervals between bangs but not the length of the bang noises.

One of them has a spanner or similar and is banging as hard as they can. They know the mothership is up there. They know there will be a rescue effort. They don't need to "raise the alarm" because they know they'll have been missed. They just need to make a noise that's loud and obviously man made (rhythmic and at set intervals).

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The international submariner is continual banging for 3 minutes on the hour and half hour. As the French explorer onboard map a retired French naval diver, he would have been aware of this.

JeandeServiette · 21/06/2023 14:49

Yes. There's a definite undercurrent bubbling on this thread as well whenever migrants are mentioned.

Irritation, probably.

The difference in discussion activity isn't because people care less about dead migrants. It's a reflection of the fact that this submersible emergency is a rare and ongoing situation with lots to learn about the engineering and so on. People want to understand the equipment, the options, the purpose of the original dive and so on.

It was the same with the boy down the well in North Africa, the football team in the caves, the miners who got trapped...

What is there really to say when news comes through that a migrant boat has sunk with hundreds dead? It's just unspeakably awful. With no hope, nothing complex to understand, no ongoing rescue effort. What can anybody discuss for hours about that? It's just unbelievably tragic.

So popping up on threads about the submersible periodically and weeping "won't somebody think of the migrants?" just feels in poor taste, frankly. It's not an either/or. Interest in one doesn't imply indifference to the other. There's no connection. It's a weird, virtue-signalling game of ethical equivalence to be playing and it doesn't reflect well.

JeandeServiette · 21/06/2023 14:51

kirinm · 21/06/2023 09:53

@SheilaFentiman so if other vehicles have been down that deep previously, why is so much being made of the depth at which the sub might be? There are reports that sonars etc won't pick up noise at that depth and that there are few mechanisms for rescuing if that is where the sub is.

Apologies if these are all totally basic questions.

Because a rescue has never been attempted that deep, I think.

They really are out on a limb, beyond any standard help.

OnlyOpenMouthToChangeFeet · 21/06/2023 14:51

OnlyOpenMouthToChangeFeet · 21/06/2023 14:49

The international submariner is continual banging for 3 minutes on the hour and half hour. As the French explorer onboard map a retired French naval diver, he would have been aware of this.

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Meant to say international distress signal.

darkmodeon · 21/06/2023 14:51

Aparantly there's a French ship on the way with an ROV which seems to be a mini submarine and they think that can reach them. Not sure what the plan is if they can get it to it. I wondered if there was something that would reach them.

edu1990 · 21/06/2023 14:51

JeandeServiette · 21/06/2023 14:49

Yes. There's a definite undercurrent bubbling on this thread as well whenever migrants are mentioned.

Irritation, probably.

The difference in discussion activity isn't because people care less about dead migrants. It's a reflection of the fact that this submersible emergency is a rare and ongoing situation with lots to learn about the engineering and so on. People want to understand the equipment, the options, the purpose of the original dive and so on.

It was the same with the boy down the well in North Africa, the football team in the caves, the miners who got trapped...

What is there really to say when news comes through that a migrant boat has sunk with hundreds dead? It's just unspeakably awful. With no hope, nothing complex to understand, no ongoing rescue effort. What can anybody discuss for hours about that? It's just unbelievably tragic.

So popping up on threads about the submersible periodically and weeping "won't somebody think of the migrants?" just feels in poor taste, frankly. It's not an either/or. Interest in one doesn't imply indifference to the other. There's no connection. It's a weird, virtue-signalling game of ethical equivalence to be playing and it doesn't reflect well.

Well said

JeandeServiette · 21/06/2023 14:51

The international submariner is continual banging for 3 minutes on the hour and half hour. As the French explorer onboard map a retired French naval diver, he would have been aware of this.

So I gather and it makes perfect sense. No need for morse code.

darkmodeon · 21/06/2023 14:52

JeandeServiette · 21/06/2023 14:51

Because a rescue has never been attempted that deep, I think.

They really are out on a limb, beyond any standard help.

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Yeah it sounds like the sub was pushing the limits so it will be hard. Like sending someone up into space to rescue someone stuck in space. I had no idea of the scale involved until I saw a diagram.

user1477391263 · 21/06/2023 14:54

JeandeServiette · 21/06/2023 14:49

Yes. There's a definite undercurrent bubbling on this thread as well whenever migrants are mentioned.

Irritation, probably.

The difference in discussion activity isn't because people care less about dead migrants. It's a reflection of the fact that this submersible emergency is a rare and ongoing situation with lots to learn about the engineering and so on. People want to understand the equipment, the options, the purpose of the original dive and so on.

It was the same with the boy down the well in North Africa, the football team in the caves, the miners who got trapped...

What is there really to say when news comes through that a migrant boat has sunk with hundreds dead? It's just unspeakably awful. With no hope, nothing complex to understand, no ongoing rescue effort. What can anybody discuss for hours about that? It's just unbelievably tragic.

So popping up on threads about the submersible periodically and weeping "won't somebody think of the migrants?" just feels in poor taste, frankly. It's not an either/or. Interest in one doesn't imply indifference to the other. There's no connection. It's a weird, virtue-signalling game of ethical equivalence to be playing and it doesn't reflect well.

Yep. This.

nowayhomer · 21/06/2023 14:55

I think if they are found alive now it will be nothing short of a miracle. Whatever the reasons for going on that vessel, whatever people may think about it they're still human beings, in a dreadful situation with families. Just awful

Pandaparty · 21/06/2023 14:56

JeandeServiette · 21/06/2023 14:49

Yes. There's a definite undercurrent bubbling on this thread as well whenever migrants are mentioned.

Irritation, probably.

The difference in discussion activity isn't because people care less about dead migrants. It's a reflection of the fact that this submersible emergency is a rare and ongoing situation with lots to learn about the engineering and so on. People want to understand the equipment, the options, the purpose of the original dive and so on.

It was the same with the boy down the well in North Africa, the football team in the caves, the miners who got trapped...

What is there really to say when news comes through that a migrant boat has sunk with hundreds dead? It's just unspeakably awful. With no hope, nothing complex to understand, no ongoing rescue effort. What can anybody discuss for hours about that? It's just unbelievably tragic.

So popping up on threads about the submersible periodically and weeping "won't somebody think of the migrants?" just feels in poor taste, frankly. It's not an either/or. Interest in one doesn't imply indifference to the other. There's no connection. It's a weird, virtue-signalling game of ethical equivalence to be playing and it doesn't reflect well.

Yep.

Peanutbutteryday · 21/06/2023 14:58

nowayhomer · 21/06/2023 14:55

I think if they are found alive now it will be nothing short of a miracle. Whatever the reasons for going on that vessel, whatever people may think about it they're still human beings, in a dreadful situation with families. Just awful

I do keep getting waves of positivity that they will pull something out the bag and find them. Then the rest of the time I think it’s hopeless. There’s really not much time to play with.