'I have no problem with trans women using women's toilets'

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https://metro.co.uk/2023/06/19/i-have-no-issue-with-trans-women-using-the-loos-im-in-you-shouldnt-either-18978018/#metro-comments-container

Just seen this article and had to share - I can't believe the hateful language used by the author:

'High profile people, who I consider transphobic, like some politicians and former role models – who aren’t even worthy of the term ‘TERF’ (meaning trans exclusionary radical feminist) as it has ‘feminist’ in the name, and that they most certainly are not – have made it their mission to stoke a panic over trans people'.

Great.

The space I find most comfortable is the one with zero penises in it.

Only it doesn't exist anymore because penises must now be allowed everywhere if they're attached to someone who claims to "think like a woman".

Oh wait.

You don't care about where I feel most comfortable.

You only care about where the women with penises feel most comfortable.

And that's how we know they aren't real women. Because people actually care about them getting what they want.

Newsflash - No one can think like a woman, unless they are - a woman! (Born with a vagina for the hard of understanding).

I think normally the definition of woman is the people who have ovaries, not a vagina, tbh.( for the hard of understanding. )

When those people want to stamp all over the rights of women then IT DOES MATTER.
Women matter.
What women think about any encroachment on womens spaces or rights matters MORE than any blokes opinion.

Biological women are allowed to have an opinion about what men want to do in spaces that were created for real women because there was a NEED for those spaces to exist.

You say what women feel doesn't matter?

This is ALL ABOUT WOMEN.

There are real women involved, real women who are personally affected & whose lives are negatively impacted by what some men want & think they'll take even if every woman says NO.

You don't care about where I feel most comfortable.

Honestly, I give up. Keep fighting whatever you think is right. World is changing. We all deserve respect and understanding. That means you do deserve to feel comfortable, so are trans people, imo. That's all.

You say what women feel doesn't matter?

I never said that.

I get what you’re saying but I’m not following your train of thought. Why should men with gender dysphoria use the women’s bathrooms? Why do you think bathrooms are generally segregated by sex in the first place? How would society know which men have gender dysphoria and which ones are abusing the system?

Some people are so open minded their brains fall out.

Right, but the people driving these changes don't believe I deserve to feel safe and comfortable.

They say that if I don't feel safe and comfortable sharing women's spaces with members of the male sex who think like women, I'm a bigot, and I need to get comfortable with it. Or not get comfortable with it, whatever, I can always exclude myself from these spaces and stay at home.

And because they quite clearly don't give a shit about women's safety and comfort, more and more women are now speaking out and saying, "No. Trans women are MEN and need to stay out of women's spaces."

So if they, for whatever reason, don't feel safe and comfortable using single sex facilities intended for members of their own sex, they need to find a solution which does not involve them using facilities intended for women. They need to campaign for their own spaces. Because they are not the only people in this world who matter.

You literally said, "What you feel doesn't matter."

Unless you are a man who feels like a woman, presumably, in which case it matters a great deal.

Because I really don't think people can easily abuse the system.
A man dressed like a woman to take advantage and get into woman's bathroom do look and act unnatural. On the other hand, a trans woman who doesn't feel comfortable using men's so uses women's won't act strange to get attention, I'm sure they just want to just get in and out, like normal woman. Like we wouldn't notice.
So, in my opinion, the society doesn't have to know, one is the perve, who need to be caught, other is just a person, just like us.

That was response to @ReeseWitherfork ·

You literally said, "What you feel doesn't matter."

Right, my bad, sorry.

Why does the trans woman's feelings come before a woman's right to use a bathroom without the presence of a penised male? Threatening or otherwise?

@grapehyacinthisactuallyblue when you let one male person in on the basis of his internal feelings, you have to let all male people in on the same basis.

and it stops being a single sex space/service/sport

If both women and transwomen deserve to feel comfortable and there are more women users of the women toilets, why do the few transwomen matter more?

If both women and transwomen deserve to feel comfortable, why not campaign for a third option?

Ask yourself why your default solution is that women should get over their discomfort at having to share with male people, but transwomen do not have to get over their discomfort to share with other men?

Putting women second after male people, now that is plain old sexism.

Are you seriously saying it's ok for a man and and his cock to use the ladies as long as it's not obvious he's a bloke?

Would a sign help? 'Only shy and demure trans people may use the women's toilets. The rest of you that look like Bernard Bresslaw in a dress, fuck off'.

www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/332210909988821848/

I don't actually care whether they are a genuine trans woman, a serial rapist or the Dalai freaking Lama. A man dressed in women's clothing is a man dressed in women's clothing.

If they are male I don't feel safe or comfortable sharing women's spaces with them. It's not about how they think or feel, or whether they know they're pretending or believe they are genuine.

It's about whether they were born with a penis.

Ask yourself why your default solution is that women should get over their discomfort at having to share with male people, but transwomen do not have to get over their discomfort to share with other men?

The answer is MALE PRIVILEGE.

I think you missed Bernard at his lady thinking best.

Ask yourself why your default solution is that women should get over their discomfort at having to share with male people, but transwomen do not have to get over their discomfort to share with other men?

My default solution isn't that woman should get over their discomfort at all. We all deserve understanding and empathy. I just think it's actually extend to trans woman too, not just biological woman, that's all. In a ideal world, we should all feel comfortable. I want the solution that makes everyone happy.
So I can totally understand, that some woman feel uncomfortable with sharing the space with trans woman, and I do respect that and appreciate that too. I'm just stating my own opinion and how I feel, I'm not saying I am right at all.

Because gender ideologists don't just say they want out of the mens toilets etc.., they INSIST that real women must be in the space that those men use.

They don't want safe spaces, such as third spaces away from the men they 'say' are a danger to them.

They want enforced sharing with unwilling real women.

That's why a transperson kicked off recently when La Senza said he could use the womens changing room after the real women were finished with it.
He didn't want to use it UNLESS real women were there at the same time.
He didn't care that those women didn't want to be there at the same time as him.

That's not about the safety or dignity of anyone.
It's an abuse of biological women.

My default solution isn't that woman should get over their discomfort at all. We all deserve understanding and empathy. I just think it's actually extend to trans woman too, not just biological woman, that's all. In a ideal world, we should all feel comfortable. I want the solution that makes everyone happy.
So I can totally understand, that some woman feel uncomfortable with sharing the space with trans woman, and I do respect that and appreciate that too. I'm just stating my own opinion and how I feel, I'm not saying I am right at all.

But that is your default solution, by saying women should have empathy for transwomen and get over their discomfort, but saying nothing about transwomen having empathy for women and getting over their discomfort at using the mens.

You are stating your opinion, then stating empathy with any woman who know cannot or doesn't want to use the facilities meant for them and not for male people, and then come with absolutely zero solutions. Too bad, so sad, poor women, oh well... that, my dear, is sexism, not deeming women worthy of a solution.

And bold fail. First paragraph is a quote

@SabrinaThwaite Bernard in drag in a comedy role is still way more attractive than any trans woman I've ever seen!

Come to think of it, Cissy and Ada are also better looking!

What is your solution then? Do you think trans women should be allowed in women's single sex spaces or not?