'I have no problem with trans women using women's toilets'

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https://metro.co.uk/2023/06/19/i-have-no-issue-with-trans-women-using-the-loos-im-in-you-shouldnt-either-18978018/#metro-comments-container

Just seen this article and had to share - I can't believe the hateful language used by the author:

'High profile people, who I consider transphobic, like some politicians and former role models – who aren’t even worthy of the term ‘TERF’ (meaning trans exclusionary radical feminist) as it has ‘feminist’ in the name, and that they most certainly are not – have made it their mission to stoke a panic over trans people'.

There’s loads of this type of bollocks at the moment, as they realise that people are wising up and that they’re losing their argument

Ok , but toilets have nothing to do with what your face looks like.

Agreed. I have no issues with it (and have used the men's plenty of times at gigs etc) but I can't speak for other women and I don't know their experiences. If women feel like their private space is being invaded or feel unsafe then I absolutely stand with them

I don't mind sharing a restroom area with a transwoman, but it isn't about me is it? The women who do mind have very good reasons for doing so.

Restrooms should start being as Mamnotmum described, self contained with a toilet and sink in the same room, and doors and walls going up to a ceiling.

Changing rooms in the US were on the shop floor with lockable doors. Many had walls that went up to the ceiling but if they didn't it would be obvious to everyone else shopping if someone started looking over the top of cubicles. They need to be like that in shops here, not stuck down a hallway with curtains as closures and a 16 year old Saturday girl left to supervise them.

Why can't we just have toilets?! A toilet and sink in a small enclosed room for anyone to use?

Simply put, space. you can fit 2-3 normal cubicles in the space of one accessible one, and 3-4 urinals in the same area of space.

This would also help with queuing. The nonsense of queuing for a ladies toilets when the mens is empty is insanity.

It wouldn't though - it would mean fewer toilets, which means just as much queuing.

There are ratios of how many urinals, to how many cubicles, to how many people that you need for it to be fair - this has all been examined and analysed, we know all this.

The only issue is some people deciding that they want to use the toilets for the other sex, and women having a problem with that. It seems every solution others come up with just puts women at a different disadvantage, all to avoid just telling these people to do what's always been done and use the mens if you're male.

A question that ladies such as this can never give a straight answer to us -

Ok. Why don't we make all loos/changing rooms totally gender neutral so that all people of both sexes can use which they want, when they want? What is the difference between a man and a transwoman which means the former can't come in but the latter can?

Oddly enough no one has answered that.

Essentially.

Some refreshing, civil and encouraging views from posters who may have a different position to me.

Heartening to hear.

She just doesn't get it, does she? Why doesn't she understand that we're concerned about predatory men who will use this opportunity to prey on women & girls. She's just so captured by the lies the TRAs tell about women.

@VaddaABeetch

my rights are not yours to give away

I love this phrase.

I’d prefer not to use a loo that has been just used by a man. In my limited existence they leave the seat up, randomly leave piss droplets around and can be pretty grim.

(1) It’s the Metro, this kind of article is what it thrives on.

(2) Emmie Harrison-West is a massive hypocrite, judging by her pinned Tweet about beer festivals not being safe spaces for women because of men.

It’s like she can’t join the dots about entitled male behaviour being the same whether they’re wearing jeans or frocks.

Think this journalist needs to check her priviledge

just because she doesn't feel threatened by transwomen in womens spaces doesn't mean everyone else feels the same

Yeah I’m with you pp’s I’m in the lucky 80% who has never been raped or sexually assaulted, I’m not religious, I’m not young and self conscious.
I’m inclusive of those who are and I’ll defend their rights with you over looking “kind”.

I've known and met several transwomen. 2 of them would be no threat in a womens bathroom, and one would be quite scary. However they all have the ability to scare people who don't know them.

And if public toilets are ok... then why aren't changing rooms... especially communal swimming ones with no cubicles... Toilets are just a gateway.

Haha 😄

I did actually just read it, and my thesis is (having read it), that the journo in question is not a particularly good writer. The article just reads like 'i had another wine' Saturday night ranty blog post about toilets. So I think she's trying to be very combative and deliberately trying to insult people to get a reaction, so that she gets a bit of exposure and interest that she otherwise wouldn't get.

Load of old bollocks really.

If trans women have to use male bathrooms, trans men have to use female bathrooms. It seems easier to “pass” as a ftm person, as testosterone makes someone look masculine very quickly, so they’re a bit more invisible in public. You’d still end up with people who are indistinguishable from all of those pictures earlier using female bathrooms as they are biologically female. Other than checking someone’s genitals personally how would you even know?

Why should this be women's problem to solve??

Metro yet again demonstrating why they wouldn't have the cheek to actually charge for their shite.

At least if you get a paper copy you can use it to line your cat's litter tray or protect the bathroom floor when you're dyeing your own hair. The online version has no use whatsoever.

She just doesn't get it, does she? Why doesn't she understand that we're concerned about predatory men who will use this opportunity to prey on women & girls. She's just so captured by the lies the TRAs tell about women

There were arguments over the weekend with some posters taking a pretty hardline NAMALT stance over VAWAG and saying 'so you're calling your husband/son/brother a rapist?' - well, yes, potentially they are. It's not at all a pleasant thought but the women who come out with the 'Not My Nigel' argument forget that these men are somebody's relative. They ignored completely or refused to address that the fundamental problem is we don't know who the good or bad guys are - that's why we want the single sex facilities kept.

The needs of the many outweigh the wants of the few. Or the one.

Every time I go somewhere that has mixed sex toilets down a long barely lit corridor, I don't go there again. Everytime I go somewhere with a gender neutral toilet covered in male piss, I don't go there again. The urinary leash is real, folks.

I've seen a post a person is complaining some transman was using the ladies in her workplace. And she confronted the person, been told that he was born xx he was told to use the bathroom.
Those who oppose to transwoman using ladies, you must be ok with a muscly transman with beard or whatever sharing the rest room with you, right?

Absolutely fine. Why would I worry more about a muscly bearded trans man than an actual bloke who identifies as a trans woman?

Why would a woman who sees herself as a bloke be a more of a problem than a bloke who sees himself as a woman? I really can't grasp your thinking.

It lines up with the idea that someone can't call themselves a feminist unless they include men who see themselves as women. I mean that's bonkers, too.

Feminism is about women, not people who think they are, wish they were, or see themselves as women.