Boris stands down as MP with immediate effect part 2

[IClaudine]

New thread!

In defence of Johnson

And what of it. People are allowed to support whoever they like. There's strange authoritarian vibe on these threads. Personally there's no one in the current era of politics for me to support.

Of course people can support whoever they like. That's freedom. People can also make judgements on people based on whom they choose to support. That's also freedom.

Yes people are free to support whoever they want.
If they want to support Johnson than they can say so without the Keir's beer whataboutery.

I can never quite pinpoint exactly what point is being made with beergate. Are people saying both partygate and beergate were as bad as each other so should both have been punished or that neither matter and neither should have been punished? It’s rarely clarified but I can only presume that the aim is equality which then falls apart when the difference in what was legal at the time of each (and every in BJ’s case) event. They can’t be judged on the same criteria because the criteria at the time was different. That’s indisputable, on record fact.

My memory is that both Boris and Kier said they would accept a police decision, then Boris said he would accept the findings of committees/investigations. The only failure here is that Boris/Bojo’s fan club have only raised issues once the conclusion has been reached. It’s all rosy with ‘respect’ for processes up to that point and then accusations of witch hunts/conspiracy start flying instead of any hint that BJ has at least considered why his actions appear to be breeches with the benefit of hindsight.

If they want to support Johnson than they can say so without the Keir's beer whataboutery.

Well, exactly. But that leaves them open to being thought of as having shaky moral values, so they can't do that.

Personally there's no one in the current era of politics for me to support

The one aspect of ongoing support of Boris I can understand is that no politician is ever going to be a perfect representative for everybody. There has to be compromises. I don’t really understand bowing out completely to absolve yourself of any responsibility of who ultimately leads the country.

Unless someone’s planning on putting themselves forward to run in government in some way to contribute then I don’t think there’s much excuseto bow out of the most basic of duties of society,

The vote tomorrow will be interesting.

(We will need a new thread for that discussion)

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/tobias-ellwood-u-turns-partygate-vote-decision-abstain-lbc-listeners/

The thing about Keir and the beer is it was away from home, with slightly limited feeding options , with a small team. (I know what this is like as do band tours) I wouldn't have had an issue if Johnson and team had done this either in same situation . I do have an issue though when it's in your home vicinity, involves what is clearly pre planned catering, dancing, party hats and karaoke machine and talking about the fact it was outside the rules

Who stands with Tobias ?

We were at a different stage of the disease.
He was allowed to do work stuff.

It was within the rules.

Different to the actual law breaking that went on in Downing Street.

Context.

Which did not get mentioned in those photographs.

Context of being away from home campaigning which was allowed and needing to eat when away - which was allowed.

Plus the context of the vaccine, testing and the time.

Very very different to what was happening in 2020.

But the right wing media wanted people to jump to a conclusion without thinking too much about context.

We all know the context of what happened in Downing Street in 2020.

I have created a new thread

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/4830309-boris-stands-down-as-mp-with-immediate-effect-part-3

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He's always been cat's bum faced about Johnson. What a surprise he's supporting the impartial report from the impartial committee.

Anyone got any thoughts on Bernard's attendance at birthdays drinks do at the HOC? Folk in glass houses and all that.

'Very very different to what was happening in 2020.'

Same rules, indoor buffets and booze not allowed. Only 'very very different' thing is it occurred in a other county. Durham and the Met clearly sing from different songs sheets.

Credibility is all a bit shaky.

A good description of the proceeding words.

Not true

People were allowed to eat and drink for work purposes.

As has been pointed out, work canteens were open during the pandemic
Booze was not mentioned.

Anyone got any thoughts on Bernard's attendance at birthdays drinks do at the HOC? Folk in glass houses and all that.

If he broke the rules then he shouldn't have. * *

Johnson was being investigated on whether he lied to parliament NOT whether he attended parties.

'People were allowed to eat and drink for workpurposes.'

Exactiy! I've been saying this for months.

In a sea of weird points.

Work purposes:

When is an event for work purposes.

Is a leaving do, a birthday do or Wine Friday work purposes?

No

Is having to have food because you are having a meeting or away on work business allowed work purposes?

Yes

Do you think Wine Friday was work purpose?

Well, obviously he shouldn't have.

My point was Bernard and his tassly bracelet should not have been on the impartial committee in the first place. Why didn't he think his drinks sesh would come out?

Having a party.
Not work purpose

Wine Friday
Not work purpose

Leaving do
Not work purpose

Birthday
Not work purpose

Having a day of meetings, being away from the office, having food - a work purpose.

(But I think you know that - and I think you know that Starmer and his team did not break the law)

@Janiie have you had any thoughts about why a 56 year old needs a birthday party having made it illegal for children to have them?