Boris stands down as MP with immediate effect

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Just breaking now on BBC.

Same day as Nadine.

I think this is going to be an interesting few months.

BunnyBettChetwynnd
I can only vouch personally for the Tony Blair and Gordon Brown eras, when I know for a certain fact there was no drinking culture

From my link;
On the odd occasion when [Gordon Brown] came into my office late at night, he’d even manage to ignore the eight empty cans of lager on the desk.

IClaudine
He was talking about drinking in meetings, not after work

Why was Starmer drinking during a work meeting?

You have your spin doctors mixed up @Clavinova . You're quoting Damian McBride not Alastair Campbell.

I wonder if he was told that the guidance wasn't being followed - or was he not told that the guidance had been folllowed.

Ask Durham police.

The trick is to ignore the derail attempts.

It's a blatant attempt to derail or annoy people by sidetracking.

Meanwhile the Tory party is falling apart.

Which is amusing to watch.

Kiwano
And all those pictures are in relation to food being delivered for NHS workers. Guess what, we were allowed to take masks off in order to eat

According to a healthcare worker earlier in the thread, she wasn't allowed to drink a cup of coffee with her colleagues, indoors, until June 2022.

@Clavinova do you have evidence that a previous PM was on TV on a regular basis telling people to abide by laws that he or she was secretly breaking? None of what you have posted so far is comparable to what Johnson has done.

Clavinova is rather obsessed with Keir's beer

Meanwhile from a legal point of view via David Allen Green

If the news reports are correct, then even with a privileges committee with a Tory majority, and even with best lawyers (public) money can buy, Johnson has still been found to have deliberately lied to the Commons - the most serious finding possible.

His worst possible outcome.

BunnyBettChetwynnd
You have your spin doctors mixed up @ Clavinova. You're quoting Damian McBride not Alastair Campbell

I know - has Alastair Campbell not heard of Damian McBride?

Wednesday should be fun. Will the report be published before PMQs?

Have you ever worked in an office? When you're meeting after having worked bloody hard all day and combining that meeting with a much-needed meal, having a glass of beer or wine is if anything the norm.

And it's irrelevant anyway, as that was a totally legal meeting.

No it wasn’t. Working in an office is hardly the coal face , is it?

If NHS staff, care home staff, supermarket delivery drivers, bus drivers (transport workers generally) and countless thousands of other essential workers could abide by the Government’s rules, why couldn’t the Government?

There are times when I seriously wish MNHQ had a block button. The derailing and the goading defences of Johnson are tiresome.

This is true I have said so before a froup of junior doctors were disciplined for sharing a pizza.

Morning all!

I don't know about you but I'm looking forward to another day of derailing this thread, excessive irrelevant links and whataboutery from the posters, who after all the proof that Boris is a liar, have nothing else left to offer.

Bring it on!!

If you don't search for the links, who does provide them?

Does anyone actually doubt that Johnson lied to the House of Commons on multiple occassions?

@Janiie @Clavinova do you think Johnson never lied to the House of Commons?

Where is the defence of Johnson?
Despite all the noise, I've yet to hear any of his fans explaining why what he did was fine.

I can only think they are paid for by the Labour party in order to keep people angry with the Tories.

It's a bit difficult for a doctor or nurse to social distance on a ward. You can't treat a patient from 2m away.

However you can distance yourself in meetings, conduct them on zoom (which many nhs consults which could be done this way were - and still are).

We couldn't distance in a classroom. You can't teach someone with special needs who needs 1:1 support from a distance. Our RA reflected working realities and distancing where you could - desks were all separated, we are in bubbles not the staff room, the first LD we didn't teach we provided emergency care for keyworker children and families who needed their children in school due to needs.

But that was the rules. Distance where you can. Where you can't RA. Limit risk etc.

There was no need to all be standing in a room eating a buffer and drinking wine in an office. Proven by the finding of a police investigation and the subsequent FPN.

I think it is very important to remember that morale was very low in Downing Street, and all they had to entertain them was the chief clown bozo, who had little time to spare for entertaining because there were so many pot plants.

Remarkable recovery! not seen with other patients sent to ICU... plus of course it now turns out it was "precautionary only"

Of course a PM should be treated differently to you or i but Johnson took the piss and went far beyond what was needed, which is what we now see him doing... its all about him and avoiding responsibility, just like Trump.