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Boris stands down as MP with immediate effect

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sunnydaytoday0 · 09/06/2023 20:09

Just breaking now on BBC.

Same day as Nadine.

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DuncinToffee · 12/06/2023 22:21

Clavinova · 12/06/2023 22:11

cakeorwine
Well that's irrelevant

I wouldn't say so - you posted a link to Boris Johnson's 'wine time Fridays' - the drinking culture clearly pre-dates Johnson (despite what Alastair Campbell claims) and there's no suggestion in Sue Gray's report that Johnson himself drank excessively (she doesn't say he drank alcohol at the gathering on his birthday for example). Keir Starmer was clearly drinking in Durham.

there is a photo

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10478301/Photo-Boris-Johnson-beer-No-10-lockdown-birthday-party-given-Met-sources-claim.html

Photo of PM 'with beer at lockdown bash' given to Met, source claims

Reports suggest the Prime Minister was pictured toasting with a can of Estrella while at a No 10 birthday party organised by his wife Carrie - one of 12 being investigated by the Met Police.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10478301/Photo-Boris-Johnson-beer-No-10-lockdown-birthday-party-given-Met-sources-claim.html

cakeorwine · 12/06/2023 22:23

I wonder if more MPs will have resigned by then.

When 2 groups are fighting, just let them get on with it and destroy themselves.

Clavinova · 12/06/2023 22:29

DuncinToffee
there is a photo

Why does the photo have the word 'SIMULATION' stamped on it?

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about this subject:

cakeorwine · 12/06/2023 22:36

Meanwhile

Rishi Sunak would block Boris Johnson comeback as Tory MP, sources say | Conservatives | The Guardian

Another senior Tory insider added: “It’s the leader who is in charge of the party. Why would Rishi let Boris on to the candidate list? It’s pretty obvious to me that he won’t. The party needs to move forward from this clown show. The vast majority of MPs agree.”
A poll by YouGov found there was little appetite among the public for Johnson to return to parliament, with just 25% wanting this to happen at some point in the future. A majority of Britons (56%) do not want Johnson to come back as an MP.

Rishi Sunak would block Boris Johnson comeback as Tory MP, sources say

PM has clashed publicly with predecessor over failed attempts to elevate several close allies to Lords

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jun/12/rishi-sunak-would-block-boris-johnson-comeback-as-tory-mp-sources-say

DuncinToffee · 12/06/2023 22:37

Clavinova · 12/06/2023 22:29

DuncinToffee
there is a photo

Why does the photo have the word 'SIMULATION' stamped on it?

Because the actual photo is in the police's possession and the Mail needed a photo to show their readers?

DuncinToffee · 12/06/2023 22:46

https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1668369969317281795?s=20

Exclusive:

Privileges Committee has found Boris Johnson knowingly misled Commons after rejecting central defence

MPs found no evidence to back his claim he was assured by officials that Covid guidance had not been breached - in fact they found opposite

Clavinova · 12/06/2023 22:49

Merrymouse
I find it interesting that because the Johnsons lived above the shop it was impossible for Carrie to avoid ‘work place gatherings’ but that as soon as these gatherings became raucous, the Johnsons were nowhere to be seen and completely oblivious

How many 'raucous' gatherings were there? As far as I can make out - 'the suitcase of wine', the so-called 'DJ' (not a real DJ) and the 'broken swing' all relate to one evening - the evening before Prince Philip's funeral. Sue Gray's report confirms - "The Prime Minister was not in residence".

The gathering where a member of staff was sick, actually took place at 70 Whitehall, an adjoining building.

Not clear where the Abba party fits into all of this

Indeed - I wonder what they did with 6 month old baby Wilfred when there was supposed to be a 'raucous' party going on?

Kiwano · 12/06/2023 22:50

Rhondaa · 12/06/2023 18:23

'Black humour, i asked my DD about this, she said "for some its the only way of dealing with some pretty terrible outcomes"'

Oh please. Silly dancing clips posted on social media is attention seeking, absolutely inappropriate nonsense. Black humour in the staff room yes. Dancing clips on sm? No.

I take it you therefore agree that all the Downing Street and Chequers gatherings were equally inappropriate nonsense?

cakeorwine · 12/06/2023 22:52

DuncinToffee · 12/06/2023 22:46

https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1668369969317281795?s=20

Exclusive:

Privileges Committee has found Boris Johnson knowingly misled Commons after rejecting central defence

MPs found no evidence to back his claim he was assured by officials that Covid guidance had not been breached - in fact they found opposite

To: Boris Johnson
Subject: Downing Street parties

This is to make you aware that there are parties taking place in Downing Street which don't follow the guidance.

From

An official

Maybe he just didn't read it. Fine detail and all that.

But there's always an email record.

(It could have been something else)

I am reminded of Yes Prime Minister

Yes, Prime Minister - You lied - The Tangled Web

A short 1 min clip from "Yes, Prime Minister". Humphrey is trying to explain the PM the concept of "not-true".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8keZbZL2ero

Kiwano · 12/06/2023 22:55

Rhondaa · 12/06/2023 18:41

No. It is context. Work colleagues at work getting fpns from an over enthusiastic Met for eating at work, does not compare to hcps unprofessionally prancing about and filming themselves whilst poor relatives couldn't even visit. One may have got fpns but I certainly know which is far more appalling and utterly tone deaf.

If it were my relative in hospital, I suspect I would have no issue with nurses getting a tiny bit of light relief, and indeed I don't remember any patient or relative complaining about these. On the other hand, if you're looking for "appalling" and "utterly tone deaf" you don't have to look far beyond a merry leaving do in Downing Street the night before Prince Philip's funeral

Kiwano · 12/06/2023 23:04

cakeorwine · 12/06/2023 21:32

I was taking about the pictures from the link before.
As to why those pictures don't show - well that's for them to talk about.

They are from April 1st though - so early pandemic days.
I guess you didn't notice that.

And all those pictures are in relation to food being delivered for NHS workers. Guess what, we were allowed to take masks off in order to eat.

BunnyBettChetwynnd · 12/06/2023 23:05

Michael Howard today pointing out more lies from Johnson.
Remembering when Michael Howard sacked Johnson for lying about an affair.

Once a liar - always a liar.

Kiwano · 12/06/2023 23:07

Clavinova · 12/06/2023 21:55

The infamous Downing Street “wine time Fridays”

Pretty boozy in Gordon Brown's day, although not Gordon Brown himself;

2013 - How [Gordon Brown's] former spin doctor would drink around the clockWhy Whitehall can be one big booze binge
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2431230/DAMIAN-MCBRIDE-I-alcoholic-Commons-binge-drinking-capital-Britain.html

Surely even you have noticed that Gordon Brown was not PM during lockdown?

IClaudine · 12/06/2023 23:09

Kiwano · 12/06/2023 23:07

Surely even you have noticed that Gordon Brown was not PM during lockdown?

And after work drinks did not break laws that Brown was telling the general public they must not break.

Kiwano · 12/06/2023 23:11

cakeorwine · 12/06/2023 22:04

It's quite amusing to see Johnson and Sunak rowing over the peerages.

Tory party civil war

It is indeed. Boris must be furious about the fact that there is little or no chance that anyone other than his madder supporters will believe a word he says given his track record. And Sunak must be relishing the fact that he can say whatever he wants and no-one will ever believe Boris's denials.

Kiwano · 12/06/2023 23:14

DuncinToffee · 12/06/2023 22:46

https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1668369969317281795?s=20

Exclusive:

Privileges Committee has found Boris Johnson knowingly misled Commons after rejecting central defence

MPs found no evidence to back his claim he was assured by officials that Covid guidance had not been breached - in fact they found opposite

So he also lied about what his officials told him? Now, there's a surprise.

Clavinova · 12/06/2023 23:15

Kiwano
Surely even you have noticed that Gordon Brown was not PM during lockdown?
I also heard Alastair Campbell claim that there was no drinking culture in Downing Street before Johnson - clearly nonsense.

cakeorwine · 12/06/2023 23:16

Kiwano · 12/06/2023 23:14

So he also lied about what his officials told him? Now, there's a surprise.

Anyone would think he was a liar.

Did he not think it would come out?
Or did he not believe he could be challenged?

IClaudine · 12/06/2023 23:16

Clavinova · 12/06/2023 23:15

Kiwano
Surely even you have noticed that Gordon Brown was not PM during lockdown?
I also heard Alastair Campbell claim that there was no drinking culture in Downing Street before Johnson - clearly nonsense.

He was talking about drinking in meetings, not after work:

twitter.com/campbellclaret/status/1491438534355746816?s=20

Kiwano · 12/06/2023 23:19

Indeed - I wonder what they did with 6 month old baby Wilfred when there was supposed to be a 'raucous' party going on?

Probably told the nanny to bugger off and take him illegally round to Grandpa's or Aunty Rachel's.

BunnyBettChetwynnd · 12/06/2023 23:19

Clavinova · 12/06/2023 23:15

Kiwano
Surely even you have noticed that Gordon Brown was not PM during lockdown?
I also heard Alastair Campbell claim that there was no drinking culture in Downing Street before Johnson - clearly nonsense.

Here's what Alastair Campbell said.

In the several years I worked in Downing Street, I never once saw anyone worse for wear through drink. Not once. The only occasions on which I even saw alcohol were official receptions, and official dinners for visiting heads of state and government.
Civil servants would no more have thought of setting out trestle tables in the garden, groaning with food and booze brought in by the suitcase, than they would have thought of going up to the private flat used by the prime minister and his family, and running themselves a bath.
I can only vouch personally for the Tony Blair and Gordon Brown eras, when I know for a certain fact there was no drinking culture, but I am fairly confident in saying that Margaret Thatcher and John Major, whose governments I covered as a journalist, and David Cameron and Theresa May, did not allow Downing Street to become some kind of drinking den.
If there is a drinking culture in Downing Street, it started when Boris Johnson arrived.
To tar his predecessors with the same boozy brush, and to try to portray civil servants as being responsible for it, is typical of the man. Accept no responsibility, shift all blame, never admit you’re wrong.

No 10 'alcohol suitcase' was also used under prime ministers Cameron and May

Former aides have claimed the act of filling suitcases with alcohol dates back to Theresa May and David Cameron.

https://metro.co.uk/2022/01/31/no-10-alcohol-suitcase-was-used-under-david-cameron-and-theresa-may-16017977/

Kiwano · 12/06/2023 23:21

Clavinova · 12/06/2023 23:15

Kiwano
Surely even you have noticed that Gordon Brown was not PM during lockdown?
I also heard Alastair Campbell claim that there was no drinking culture in Downing Street before Johnson - clearly nonsense.

And that justifies breaking the law and lying to Parliament precisely how?

Clavinova · 12/06/2023 23:23

cakeorwine
Anyone would think he was a liar

Starmer is a liar?

Owen Jones
Keir Starmer lied to become Labour leader: it’s really that simple. It’s not about changing circumstances. He just knew Labour members were left-wing so he had to say things he didn’t really believe to become Labour leader.

Starmer also told at least four lies about his evening in Durham - whether he broke the law or not, he still lied.

Kiwano · 12/06/2023 23:24

cakeorwine · 12/06/2023 23:16

Anyone would think he was a liar.

Did he not think it would come out?
Or did he not believe he could be challenged?

I think he really has reached a point where he believes he has a God-given right to have his lies accepted implicitly. That's why he's so utterly outraged to discover that that is not always going to be the case, and that lies can have bad consequences for him.

Kiwano · 12/06/2023 23:29

Do pack in the derailing attempts, @Clavinova, they're so blatant that it's really rather sad, and makes it ever more obvious that you can't actually think of a way to defend your hero's conduct.

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