Thread 24, Sunak and the local elections aftermath

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Is that last one added. I knew the 40 new hospitals weren’t new hospitals they were wings or bits of a hospital. Didn’t realise refurbishment was counted.

Pretty sure that the money isn’t new it was money that had been allocated to them before Boris.A lot of these projects predated him IIRC. Presumably the 5 new one will get new funding from somewhere in order to stop them collapsing.

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If he's miffed about the last lot shopping him to the authorities, how does it help him to change solicitors if he's still charging everything to the taxpayer? Surely the new lot will be subject to exactly the same disclosure duties?

So how often are we going to have to cough up when he has a hissy fit about his legal representation? Each time he changes we get to pay tens of thousands of pounds just for the new batch to read through the same stuff and go over what their predecessors have done.

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Shouldn't there be a continuous plan and funding for refurbishment of hospitals?

"Shouldn't there be a continuous plan and funding for refurbishment of hospitals?"

You'd think wouldn't you.

"As a proportion of GDP, the UK’s capital investment has remained far below (sometimes 50 per cent less) OECD peers from 2009/10 to 2019/20 inclusive. This trend became particularly acute during the 2010s, when the NHS capital budget was consistently raided to fill holes in the service budget.

The UK has one of the oldest health estates in the world. The National Audit Office found in 2020 that 14 per cent of the estate pre-dated the formation of the NHS in 1948. "
www.nhsconfed.org/articles/crumbling-buildings-and-creaking-systems-nhs-capital-investment

Is this why no one is talking about the achievements of the government in the last 13 years?

Actually I think they are hoping we forget all about the last 13 years!

You would think. Especially with the ones built with materials with a 30 year lifespan 60 years ago.

Mind you I’d halos have thought that when that school ceiling collapsed in 2018 there would be an u event review into all public buildings built with those materials in that era. Instead the response seems to have been ‘blimey. Lucky that happened at the weekend.’

Wasn't it the leadership campaign between Sunak and Truss where we kept commenting they were talking as if the Tory's hasn't been in power for over a decade?

They were talking like they'd just come in to power! It was ridiculous.

We won't forget, thirteen years

Ah but that wasn't these Tories, that was those other Tories. Like Rishi now trying to distance himself from that awful Boris Johnson who he never really agreed with despite being part of the same government and at the same parties

Came across this on another thread. Secret Home Office policy to unlawfully detain people who owe the NHS money (but not Tory donors who've fleeced billions off it).

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/may/26/secret-home-office-policy-to-detain-people-with-right-to-live-in-uk-found-unlawful

Effing hell. I'm prepared to bet that they were told those policies were blatantly unlawful but decided to go ahead anyway; I don't see how any lawyer (apart from Braverman) could possibly fail to see the illegality. I suspect the policy predated her, but it does her no credit that she kept it in place.

Well this is, I think, unprecedented. They drew up the scope for the Inquiry and now want to limit it. Suspect it's a sop to the Johnson fan club but I'll bet many ministers and Sunak were uneasy about what the Inquiry might uncover.

The Cabinet Office could take unprecedented action to prevent Boris Johnson’s unredacted diaries and WhatsApp messages being handed over to the official Covid inquiry, the Guardian had been told.
Officials are preparing to issue a response to the inquiry chair, Heather Hallett, by 4pm on Tuesday. Sources said they were likely to resist her demand for a cache of documents relating to the former prime minister’s time in No 10.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/may/29/cabinet-office-may-take-legal-action-to-deny-covid-inquiry-lady-hallett-boris-johnson-material

What are they trying to hide is my first reaction.

Yes that was my thought too.

I really hope this massively backfires on them.

Exactly what are they scared of or who are they scared of exposing? Johnson's political career is more than over so what else do these messages show..... can only think it exposes a LOT of the current front bench....

I hope so too. We all know this government leaks like a sieve with a hole in it so it’s bound to appear on a front page soon.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/may/27/uk-ministers-engaged-in-bitter-fight-to-halt-release-of-covid-secrets

This is more about what Sunak has to hide than Johnson in my opinion. There's enough floating around about Johnson, this is covering up for Sunak.

Why?

Sunak was responsible for eat out to help out wasn’t he? And for trying to get restrictions loosened to ‘get the economy moving’. Particularly the end of 2020 which I suspect was an absolute clusterfuck. pretty sure Sunak doesn’t gone out of the whole ‘let the bodies pile high’ thing well either.

It’s about the time Whitty was spending quite a lot of time mentioning ‘we give the advice politicians make the decisions’ a lot during covid briefings.

My guess is that the Jan lockdown and a lot of deaths could have been avoided if advice from medical and scientific advisors had been followed in October/November.

Which is why we need an Inquiry.

Maybe they didn't anticipate how the terms of reference might come back to bite them - heaven knows strategy hasn't exactly been a strength of late.

All they will be thinking is that it's 18 months before an election.

Unsurprisingly so was mine.

Although I'm not wondering what they're trying to hide. Rather just how bad things they are trying to hide are.