Ukrainian surrogacy in Ireland

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This lady has used the help of a Ukrainian surrogate to grow her family, and is also sharing her journey on social media. Sharing to wish them luck on their return journey home ☘️

I believe this is also a journey Rosanna Davison (former miss world?) has undertaken although not in current circumstances.

https://m.independent.ie/news/i-just-want-to-get-home-irish-couple-and-their-newborn-son-shelter-from-bombs-in-ukraine/a1217011592.html

The independent has a nauseating puff piece about surrogacy every few weeks. It’s vile. But this one really made my jaw drop when I realised the dates. After the war had started they initiated the process. Some people have no moral centre. Awful people.
About time Irish newspapers did some actual journalism into surrogacy.

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What will never cease to amaze me is the amount of morally repugnant shit can be sold back to us with flowery language and a progress sticker and the idiots who will fall for it.

Try this:

Morally bereft baby commissioners exploit vulnerable woman in war torn country to carry a baby to term and then whisks the baby away to their own homeland, never to see its mother again, would like you to celebrate their successful contract with a soft focus lens on their brave journey.

This.
Just why would you exploited a vulnerable woman in a war torn country where hospital staff, facilities and equipment are beyond over stretched.
Beyond selfish.

It's disgusting and they make my skin crawl, so do the apologists on this thread.
Hang your heads in shame.
I hope the mother is recovering ok....in a fucking war zone!!

we know how even with puppies and kittens it causes long term problems if removed from mother too soon, why do some people kid themselves that human babies don't suffer the way puppies and kittens do

I hadn't actually thought through the timelines, so they started the surrogacy process after the war had started?? Fuck me, that's some level of entitlement, even for baby-buyers.

Selfish and immoral

This is disgusting, selfish and immoral - shame on this couple, I don’t know how they can exploit this woman and still look themselves in the mirror.

Bought a puppy.

So have you changed your mind about this couple now then?

Or do you still think it is a lovely story about a wonderful gift?

Does this affect how you see —baby trafficking— surrogacy overall?

Bought a puppy.

But still not remove the puppy from the bitch at a few days old and leave the bitch in a war zone to possibly get killed.

You literally wouldn't do it to a dog.

I'm infertile and never once thought about surrogacy, even when a friend offered to carry a baby for me .

Your pals are terrible people.

I can't fathom why any woman who nearly died during childbirth would be comfortable allowing another woman to risk their life and health.

I'd never heard of Rosanna Davison before this thread, but have just gone and googled her.

Whilst I don't for one moment think what she and her husband did was OK, I can see why she hasn't had the same sort of criticism. They chose surrogacy in Ukraine 3 years before the war there. When war broke out, they supported their surrogate and her family to come to Ireland, and have continued to support them.

Whereas this couple actively chose to use a surrogate in a war torn country and don't seem to care about the surrogate at all.

OP, are you one of the couple?

Is this couple living in the same world as the rest of us? To announce publicly that you've exploited a woman in a war-torn country, ripped away her baby with no thought to its attachment, left the mother behind (god knows if she's okay or will survive the war) and then jaunt back to your safe and easy living, first-world country to BRAG about your grossly unethical baby buying adventure. Do they really expect everyone to think, 'oh what a heartwarming story'.

I think surrogacy is wrong, but this is truly next level.

Well, baby buyer mom sure will look fit and trim for her blog posts, won't she? No saggy post-partum belly to hang over her pants or distract from her figure, no leaking breasts or sore bottom.

I'm shocked at what some people's moral compass can justify when they hear the word 'infertility'. Question to those, is there a line that would be a step too far or do you genuinely believe an infertile person should stop at nothing to get what they want? If they murdered a pregnant woman in the street and stole their baby is that OK, so long as the person stealing the baby is infertile? And would you feel it more justifiable if the woman lived in England or somewhere less fortunate?

There are issues around donor eggs, especially as often it is done as part of a shared treatment agreement, woman 1 gets her treatment subsided by woman 2 in exchange for eggs.

There are massive implications in that.

Thanks, this is educational

That's not always the case though. I once did "altruistic" egg donation for someone I vaguely knew. The clinic got a very good crop off me and asked if they could buy them for others, I'd have just given them (rather than have them destroyed) but the clinic we used couldn't allow that for contractual reasons. But it was only after I'd gone through treatment that payment was offered, the original donation was done freely by me.

in fairness to Rosanna Davidson & her husband they have the family & extended family who helped them from Ukraine living with them back here in Ireland plus that was all "organised" before the war started, so it's not like it was a snatch & run "see you later" type of thing.. as for the other couple I'm not sure what they're thinking tbh?

What this couple have done is beyond immoral, and they are publically announcing it so that everyone in their community knows about it. Selfish people with zero ethics. I feel very sorry for that child

Instead of making comments about what other women think, why do you share your thoughts?