Ukrainian surrogacy in Ireland

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This lady has used the help of a Ukrainian surrogate to grow her family, and is also sharing her journey on social media. Sharing to wish them luck on their return journey home ☘️

I believe this is also a journey Rosanna Davison (former miss world?) has undertaken although not in current circumstances.

https://m.independent.ie/news/i-just-want-to-get-home-irish-couple-and-their-newborn-son-shelter-from-bombs-in-ukraine/a1217011592.html

Is that a serious question?!

Maybe they could've not bought a baby and accepted and were grateful for what they already had.

The surrogate may not be the biological mother but she is certainly the birth mother. Lots of people struggle with infertility, it doesn't mean it's ok to buy a baby.

So, if a couple went to a private fertility clinic for IVF and received donor eggs through the clinic, would they be “buying a baby” too?

Are you for real? I am beginning to think this thread is a wind-up.

No, obviously. An egg is not a baby, just as a sperm sample is not a baby.

They should have sought therapy to help them accept that the sad reality of her condition is that she would not be able to have another baby. Decide if they want to adopt or foster a child who has no choice but to go through the trauma of settling with new family. Unlike creating a child in order to create that trauma due to their own desires.

I have deep sympathy for people with fertility issues. My friends and family in this situation grieved and/or adopted. They didn't get involved in buying people, with all the exploitation and risk that entails.

God, what a dumb question.

Why? It's pretty grim. I remember at the outbreak of the war Rosanna Davidson 'rescuing' the surrogate from Ukraine. The whole thing just makes me feel terribly uncomfortable!

She had a really traumatic fertility journey but that does not make her choices around surrogacy any less awful!

Surrogacy: exploiting women, trafficking babies.

I can only assume OP is the baby buyer/trafficker.

Disgusting exploitation of a very poor woman in a war torn country.

Im sickened by these people

Sharing to wish them luck on their return journey home ☘️
Sure Jan

I remember when Russia first invaded Ukraine, and crying while watching this on BBC news about babies who were born to surrogates and were stranded:

When I first read this thread, I struggled with the maths a bit: this couple choose to use a surrogate in Ukraine, after the war started?! That is honestly the most fucked up way I've ever heard of someone having a baby.

I'm really not sure how comfortable I am with the concept of surrogacy in general. I was adopted soon after birth. I think it has definitely had an effect on my attachment style, I'm very much anxious avoidant. Interestingly, when I first looked into counselling, I discovered that therapists require specialised training (and bizarrely, also need to be Ofsted registered) to be 'allowed' to provide adoption related counselling to adoptees, adoptive parents and birth parents. I wonder if that rule will apply to surrogate babies in the future? Though I hope not, hopefully that rule will be cancelled sooner rather than later, as it reinforces the idea that adopted people are fundamentally fucked up. There were also less than 50 suitable therapists in the whole of the UK when I looked into it, and none anywhere near me.

Link about the rule for anyone interested:
https://www.bacp.co.uk/news/news-from-bacp/2023/11-january-positive-changes-proposed-on-restrictions-to-adoption-related-counselling/

I was adopted years ago, but now it seems that the process goes through your life with a fine tooth comb (as it should). A few people have commented saying why didn't this couple adopt instead of buying a baby from a war zone? Simple. They undoubtedly would have been turned down for adoption. If you're the type of person who would buy a baby from a way zone, then risk your own safety to go and collect your purchase when you already have a child at home who needs you, I hope to God that today's adoption screening process would veto you. Selfish fuckers.

Just checked out her social media. Captions of 'what an experience ' with photos of bombed out cars and buildings, and rubble.... So very fucking odd.

Weird and attention seeking

Thinking of the Ukrainian woman who is having to go through the postpartum phase with the physical and emotional effects in a war zone.

I wonder if the parents who rented her womb will do anything to help her?

I doubt it. They just expected praise and sympathy from the public.

Surrogacy is always wrong. It is especially awful to do it when the mother and baby are in dangerous situation. Awful beyond awful should be criminal.

Imagine them telling this baby the story when they were older. ‘There were actual bombs falling but we wanted you so much we didn’t care!!’ Child: what about this woman who gave birth to me? Parents: oh we left her there. Ummm, maybe she likes being bombed.

ugh.

MN has a very loud anti-surrogacy subset of posters, They cannot see surrogacy as acceptable in any context.

There is no troll hunting and to call the responses you've received as such is just a deflection tactic. The responses have articulated very clearly why this is so wrong.
Exploitation of a vulnerable woman and baby. Accept the majority don't agree with you and with very good reason.

And douou not think that it's OK that they have this opinion?

Surrogacy is human trafficking, which is why many countries have made it illegal.

The situation in Ukraine compounds how awful this is. What a horrible, selfish couple. I feel very sorry for the baby.