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Two dogs shot in London by police

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flowagurl · 08/05/2023 08:40

I’m usually very empathetic and recently even posted on an animal testing post but I just can’t find any compassion in my heart for out of control and dangerous animals at the moment, it’s just getting ridiculous. I obviously feel for the owner who I hope gets some kind of mental support/ counselling.

It’s so confusing as I’m usually so compassionate, I guess having a small child and the number of dog attacks does something to your brain? I hate walking past Bullies with my baby in the pram. Even normal dogs I’m starting to get very hesitant about. For context I usually cry if I step on a silver worm in the bathroom so this is a very strange reaction for me.

Interested to hear what other dog owning/ non dog owning people think. Also the government are going to have to step in at some point right?

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Emotionalsupportviper · 19/05/2023 13:47

Sarvanga38 · 19/05/2023 13:38

So many of these accounts, or discussions on attacks, refer to the fact that like this mother 'they would never leave the dog alone with a child'. Do they truly not look at that dog and realise that it doesn't actually matter if they're there or not, if the dog wants to kill the child they won't be stopping it any time soon?

I am an out and out dog lover and very used to large and giant breeds - but, in the vast majority of cases, dogs of this type are not responsibly bred, reared and owned. I am very thankful that, as yet, we are not seeing an influx of them in our area, because I would be avoiding them at all costs with my dogs. The thought of one of my dogs being killed in front of me makes me feel physically sick.

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Jesus Christ! (Yes - I know - blasphemy. It's justified this time. . . )

We had two bull terriers- adult dogs of 5 and 6 - when we had our children. They were amazing, wonderful, loving dogs. I would NEVER have allowed this - NEVER!

You don't let fragile babies crawl all over dogs or pull them about, and you don't let babies or small children give food to dogs of any type, because that teaches the dog to associate the child with food, and they will follow children round to take it. Your dog might not intentionally bite your child, but it will very easily knock him/her over and grab at the food - and it is very easy to get an accidental nip which from a dog like this could easily remove a finger. They'll also try to lick food off the baby's face, and could bite their faces, or at best pass a few nasty germs to you vulnerable child.

This is just beyond stupid!

They may be lucky and get away with it (I hope tp God that they are), but the potential for even an accidental injury is MASSIVE!

NONONONNONONONONO!

ThisOldThang · 19/05/2023 13:57

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Megifer · 19/05/2023 14:16

Emotionalsupportviper · 19/05/2023 13:36

I honestly don't know whether a powerful dog can get out of a single catchpole or not - I do know that usually the police have two catchpoles on powerful animals because obviously the dogs fight against it. Normally they use two where possible, manoeuvre the dog into a cage on a police van, release the catchpoles and then the dog settles because it doesn't feel panicked any more.

I'd have thought that a clearer shot could have been achieved it the dog was held comparatively stable. However I haven't watched the footage of the second dog, so I don't know whether it was intentionally released or managed to struggle free by twisting the pole in the officer's hands.

From what I've seen the first dog was legitimately shot, but the second one may be more questionable. There will be a thorough enquiry though, because there always is when a police firearm is discharged in public. (Even in the Met!)

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The catchpole was released by the police officer. Its pretty clear to see on the video unfortunately 😔

I don't think the IOPC always investigate when a firearm is discharged in public from what I've read on their website so they must feel something needs investigating a bit more neutrally.

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MisterT373 · 19/05/2023 14:41

This from Twitter about why Turnbull was banned from keeping dogs.

Two dogs shot in London by police
SidekickSylvia · 19/05/2023 14:43

Tillie's mother's account of their American Bully's attack on Tillie posted by ThisoldThang, mentions the lack of warning. Nayla just attacked Tillie without any provocation or warning and this is something that I've read before regarding Bull dogs; they're difficult to read compared with other dogs, because they don't give off the normal body language signals. Surely that's another reason to not have them in a family home.

SidekickSylvia · 19/05/2023 14:46

MisterT373 · 19/05/2023 14:41

This from Twitter about why Turnbull was banned from keeping dogs.

Fairly obvious why he chooses the AB type of dog then, he clearly uses dogs as weapons.

Dogsitterwoes · 19/05/2023 14:57

Someone's moved into our village with two fucking Cane Corsos that keep escaping their garden. Have attacked other dogs. But apparently the owners are nice people so no one will report them...

MisterT373 · 19/05/2023 14:57

I've seen plenty of homeless people with dogs, can't remember seeing one with more than one dog & not that breed. These were statement dogs & apparently used a protection/intimidation in the owner's drug dealing . Some time ago he was jailed for mugging a pensioner at an ATM to fund his drug habit.

ThisOldThang · 19/05/2023 15:50

SidekickSylvia · 19/05/2023 14:43

Tillie's mother's account of their American Bully's attack on Tillie posted by ThisoldThang, mentions the lack of warning. Nayla just attacked Tillie without any provocation or warning and this is something that I've read before regarding Bull dogs; they're difficult to read compared with other dogs, because they don't give off the normal body language signals. Surely that's another reason to not have them in a family home.

They're fighting dogs that have been selectively bred for hundreds of generations to 'perfect' the breed.

  • Attack without warning. This is essential for a fighting dog. They need to get their attack in before the other dog realises what's happening. Most dogs species will resolve disputes without major violence - e.g. bark, growl, posture and maybe a quick bite/release. Punters don't want to see that at a dog fight.
  • Hyper aggressive. Essential in a fighting pit.
  • Maul the victim. Fighting dogs clamp on and don't release. They shake violently to do maximum damage to skin, muscle and nerves.
  • Attack the throat and head for maximum damage.
  • Kamikaze attacks. They will keep attacking, while wagging their tails, until either they or their victim is dead. There are multiple videos online showing dogs only releasing as they die.
  • They appear to have no reaction to pain or bodily injury. Killing them or knocking them unconscious appears to be the only way to get them to release.

They're genetically driven to kill other dogs and animals. Toddlers are dog sized, so it is inevitable that these dogs are going to flip out and attack them.

CrazyLadie · 19/05/2023 16:03

sillyonehetpes · 18/05/2023 14:16

@Lovethesun100 yeah the dog didn't escape from the pole, but why shoot it?

The woman's dog was in an altercation with the two dogs who were of a lead. The woman was bitten but didn't require medical attention. That's a fact and why the police were called?

Have ya seen the video of the incident with the woman and the 2 dogs? The dogs didn't attack the woman or her dog and were not off lead

Emotionalsupportviper · 19/05/2023 16:09

MisterT373 · 19/05/2023 14:41

This from Twitter about why Turnbull was banned from keeping dogs.

What!

That lovely man who was so publicly grieving the "murder" of his gentle dogs?

Surely it cannot be so! 😮

pickledandpuzzled · 19/05/2023 16:15

I can't find any reference to that 2019 incident online. I remember it at the time.

I get 'results may have been removed under privacy European...' blah blah.

Has someone cleaned up the past? Or is it just not true?

Emotionalsupportviper · 19/05/2023 16:24

MisterT373 · 19/05/2023 14:57

I've seen plenty of homeless people with dogs, can't remember seeing one with more than one dog & not that breed. These were statement dogs & apparently used a protection/intimidation in the owner's drug dealing . Some time ago he was jailed for mugging a pensioner at an ATM to fund his drug habit.

Many homeless people have a dog, warmth on cold nights, company, and warning and protection. People sleeping rough are often pee'd on, beaten up, kicked unconscious, raped, and even set on fire.

Often they have a staffie - gentle, loyal, easy to get hold of and as cheap as chips from many BYBs, as well as being tough-looking enough act as a deterrent to anyone wanting to threaten them. Usually these dogs are looked after as well as the owner can manage, but are often a bit mangy and underfed, as the people who own them do not have the money for vet's bills or high quality food.

I have never seen any looking as sleek and well-muscled as the two dogs in this incident if the photo of them on the tube is anything to go by. One newspaper report said that he was "looking after" the dogs for a friend who was in prison, but I don't know how accurate this is, but if it is true it is very possible that they were drug dealers' protection dogs. Those dogs were in fantastic condition. It wouldn't surprise me if he was a drug addict @MisterT373 .

I hadn't seen that he had set his previous dogs on another person (I'd have hoped he would have got a prison sentence for this, but the law is all over the place these days). I'd read that they'd attacked and killed another dog.

MisterT373 · 19/05/2023 16:35

In 2012 Turnbull was found guilty for the attempted mugging of a 53 year old woman in Perth. He was described as a heroin addict with a lengthy criminal record littered with violent offences including previous convictions for assault & robbery and assault to severe injury.

SycophantsUnite · 19/05/2023 16:48

But he seems like such a nice guy with such lovely cute dogs 🙄

Boomboom22 · 19/05/2023 16:53

I just can't believe the posters on here defending the drug addict violent scum bag who clearly set his dogs on the police. Even if they had caught the second one there is no way it could not be pts later which seems like a terrible way to spend tax payers money keeping a dangerous weapon alive.
And today we have more dog attacks with children injured and adult men killed. Yet still the dog lovers defend defend defend. And let their kids be around dogs. And think it's a member of the family.

Thesharkradar · 19/05/2023 17:12

another fatal dog attack yesterday
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-65651152
A 37-year-old man has died after being attacked by a dog.
The victim was found with serious injuries in Leigh, Greater Manchester, on Thursday night and was taken to hospital but died in the early hours.
Armed officers were brought in to try to control the dog which "posed a significant risk" to the public, Greater Manchester Police (GMP) said.
The force said "every available tactic to subdue" the animal was used before it was humanely destroyed.
A 24-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of being in charge of a dangerously out of control dog causing injury resulting in death.
He remains in custody for further questioning.
Emergency services were called to Westleigh Lane in the town shortly after 21:10 BST and found the man with serious injuries.

Stock shot of the back of a Greater Manchester Police officer

Man, 37, dies in Leigh dog attack

A man is arrested on suspicion of being in charge of a dangerously out of control dog, police say.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-65651152

Florenz · 19/05/2023 17:14

There needs to be a cull of dangerous dogs. People need to be told to handover their dogs for destruction, and any not handed over by the end of the year, will be hunted down relentlessly, with no qualms about injuring or killing the owner in the process. Treat them the same as guns, as deadly weapons. Jail the owners for long sentences (ie 30 years+). It's time we got tough instead of pandering to the cult of dog.

Thesharkradar · 19/05/2023 17:22

Florenz · 19/05/2023 17:14

There needs to be a cull of dangerous dogs. People need to be told to handover their dogs for destruction, and any not handed over by the end of the year, will be hunted down relentlessly, with no qualms about injuring or killing the owner in the process. Treat them the same as guns, as deadly weapons. Jail the owners for long sentences (ie 30 years+). It's time we got tough instead of pandering to the cult of dog.

I share your sentiment but I dont think that is a realistic way forward😐
the whole thing is depressing & horrifying
I'm sick to death of the problems caused by dogs

ThisOldThang · 19/05/2023 19:16

Thesharkradar · 19/05/2023 17:12

another fatal dog attack yesterday
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-65651152
A 37-year-old man has died after being attacked by a dog.
The victim was found with serious injuries in Leigh, Greater Manchester, on Thursday night and was taken to hospital but died in the early hours.
Armed officers were brought in to try to control the dog which "posed a significant risk" to the public, Greater Manchester Police (GMP) said.
The force said "every available tactic to subdue" the animal was used before it was humanely destroyed.
A 24-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of being in charge of a dangerously out of control dog causing injury resulting in death.
He remains in custody for further questioning.
Emergency services were called to Westleigh Lane in the town shortly after 21:10 BST and found the man with serious injuries.

The press are saying it's yet another Bully XL.

But the police were wrong to shoot the Bully XLs in Limehouse?

Two dogs shot in London by police
SquirrelFeed · 19/05/2023 19:18

Yes

Thesharkradar · 19/05/2023 19:47

The press are saying it's yet another Bully XL
pretty much goes without saying it was a large bull breed, I wonder if this was a dispute between the 2 men and one set his dog on the other man?
For a dog to attack and kill an adult man....well that's got to be a very powerful & aggressive dog, smaller weaker humans (ie women and children) are the more common victims.

Emotionalsupportviper · 19/05/2023 21:11

One report said he was a "dog minder" and would "play fight" with the dogs. If this is true it was asking for trouble. He will have been both over-exciting the dog and likely making himself vulnerable - bending down so that his face and neck were exposed and close to the dog, putting his hands near its mouth etc.

I wouldn't even play a game of "tug" with a pull toy with our bull terriers because they were stronger than me, and I don't think it's a good thing for an animal to learn that if it wants to it can beat you at a game (or in a fight). It upsets the balance of power in the human-dog relationship. Nor is it a good idea to encourage over-excited semi-aggressive behaviour in any dog - it too easily gets out of hand. Even the sweetest natured dog is an animal, driven by animal instincts. We have bred a lot f these instincts out, tor diluted them, but many still remain and it is foolish to mess with them.

I feel so sorry for his wife and children i can't imagine how shocking such a loss must be.

Thesharkradar · 19/05/2023 21:20

I wouldn't even play a game of "tug" with a pull toy with our bull terriers because they were stronger than me
you think it's a pet but the dog knows it can take you and it will if it can