Two dogs shot in London by police

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I’m usually very empathetic and recently even posted on an animal testing post but I just can’t find any compassion in my heart for out of control and dangerous animals at the moment, it’s just getting ridiculous. I obviously feel for the owner who I hope gets some kind of mental support/ counselling.

It’s so confusing as I’m usually so compassionate, I guess having a small child and the number of dog attacks does something to your brain? I hate walking past Bullies with my baby in the pram. Even normal dogs I’m starting to get very hesitant about. For context I usually cry if I step on a silver worm in the bathroom so this is a very strange reaction for me.

Interested to hear what other dog owning/ non dog owning people think. Also the government are going to have to step in at some point right?

@Emotionalsupportviper yes they are moving after being shot. The first one moves more than the second. Head and tail moving.

It seems quite a stretch to think this man who is banned from owning dogs because his dogs killed someone else's pet dog previously has just entirely coincidentally ended up with the dogs he's now obtained illegally (as he's banned from owning any) getting shot for no reason. The assumption that these dogs were perfectly safe, non-aggressive and under control is really at odds with his prior history, the fact that the dogs were reported and the action the police took. Dogs aren't commonly shot in the street. It's very strange to defend this man, based on the known history.

The dogs were killed because a false report was filed to the police by a member of public who assumed a woman was being mauled by these dogs when in actual fact she fell over some dog leads that were tangled.

No the dogs weren’t killed because a false report was filed. The first dog was killed because it lunged suddenly and aggressively towards a police officer. The second one, having been unable to be brought under control with a catch pole, ran off towards where the other police officers were restraining and arresting the owner.

What do you think would likely have happened if the dogs had been left to continue?

Whether he was supposed to have the dogs or not this is about the trigger happy police. No one was attacked the met comfirmed it themselves she tripped over the leads then screamed at the man afterwards not shouting or saying any words screaming like a baby does very odd behaviour. When the police surrounded them explain how barking is dangerously out of control they were being held on their leads by the owner first was shot did it die immediately?? Didnt look like it. Someone tell me why the second dog was even shot? They had a catchpole round its neck then let it go panicked tasered it it went to the ground then shot it in the head for doing what?? Being scared surrounded by a load of men shouting and waving guns about. It wasnt attacking just barking at them? Its disgusting and vile behaviour from the police they didnt attack anyone. My old dog was attacked by a dog id consider dangerously out of control in the middle of the street owner couldnt get it back my dog was bit when reporting it to the police oh its not an offence for dog on dog attacks, i said its against the dangerous dogs act is it not to have dogs out of control. Err err well its not really enforcable. They make the rules up to what suits them at the time.

Don't bring your hate facts into this discussion.

Amazing that people want to wait until AFTER a dog attacks someone until the police take action.

His dogs attacked another dog. Again. He was already banned from owning dogs. There is no way he could have been allowed to continue owning them. The police had no option but to remove the dogs. He wouldn’t give them up calmly. You can hear him saying he never will.

The dogs were clearly lunging at the police. What do.you expect the police to do? Leaving them with this banned, clearly totally incapable man wasn’t an option. He was not keeping them under control - they had just attacked another dog. Taking them safely with the dogs behaving wasn’t an option.

What other options are there? What other outcome could there have been and how?

Don't bring your hate facts into this discussion.

Oh don’t be ridiculous you sound deranged. I love dogs, I’m almost obsessed with them.

Sorry. That was a tongue in cheek comment.

I'm fully in support of the police shooting the dogs.

I think people are angry because now, dog owners with dogs that may be considered a dangerous breed are on notice that all its going to take to have a group of racists, misogynists, homophones and rapists with guns chase them down with the intention of shooting their dog is a phone call with incorrect information provided.

The shooting of the second dog in particular was completely uncalled for in that situation. It seems well over a quarter of a million of the population who make the effort to sign petitions also feel this wasn't handled correctly.

So now we have a police force with rapists, racists, misogynists, homophobes, that now includes those that are not only heavy handed, but make calculated decisions to kill a dog who was posing no threat at the time of the kill.

At least before people with big breeds had some sort of due process that had to be followed if their dog was a suspected dangerous breed. Now, if we accept this, no due process will be required. Just a dislike of a certain type of person, and incorrect information.

I'm not sure how true this is, but I read that the owner was told by the police way before the first dog was even shot, to hand them over because they were indeed going to shoot them. If this is true it blows the whole "the first dog lunging caused it to be shot" out of the water. In a way I hope that's not true because it makes the whole situation a hundred times more upsetting and a hundred times more chilling.

Yes the please are going to shoot all dangerous dogs.

The shooting of the second dog in particular was completely uncalled for in that situation.

The second dog had slipped the pole and was heading back to where its owner was, resisting and restrained by 2 officers on the ground. It was an unacceptable risk to just let it get there and see what happened.

The armed officer took the split second decision to protect his colleagues. It was absolutely the right decision.

I'm not sure how true this is, but I read that the owner was told by the police way before the first dog was even shot, to hand them over because they were indeed going to shoot them. If this is true it blows the whole "the first dog lunging caused it to be shot" out of the water. In a way I hope that's not true because it makes the whole situation a hundred times more upsetting and a hundred times more chilling.

You can hear it in the video, they didn't "tell" him they were going to shoot his dogs. They were "warning" him if he didn't comply and get the dogs under control/hand them over they were at risk of being shot. If he had complied it would not have happened, he chose not to comply and gave the officers no choice when the first dog lunged at an officer and the second broken free and became further threat.

We all feel heart sorry for the dogs, but the blame for their fate does not lie with the officers.

Oops sorry, I didn’t get the sarcasm. Should’ve. There are some strange posts on the thread and I got pp names mixed up.

I feel sorry for the dogs. Sorry they had such a shit owner who wasn’t responsible and failed to protect them from situations like this. Who failed to act reasonably and cooperate with the police to give them a chance. Who took possession of animals he was banned from keeping because he failed the last ones in the same way. The anger towards the police is completely misplaced.

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Then I can only think that the video I saw was truncated, because I truly didn't see any movement.

@Emotionalsupportviper I agree to a certain extent BUT what the police should have done, and this is information coming from a video I’ve seen with Dominic Dyer, was to contact the ‘Dogs on the Streets’ charity, who knew one of the dogs. They could have helped to bring the situation to a less aggressive and distressing end!

I think the police were totally wrong in the way they handled this!

One of those dogs being just 9 months old!!

Dogs on the street charity work with homeless people and their dogs and they knew them.

I'm not sure how true this is, but I read that the owner was told by the police way before the first dog was even shot, to hand them over because they were indeed going to shoot them.

You can hear the police asking him to hand over the dogs because they wanted to check them for injuries.

Then I can only think that the video I saw was truncated, because I truly didn't see any movement.

You could see (what was most likely) involuntary muscle twitching. It was distressing to see but it was unlikely the dogs were aware of anything at all at that stage.

Actually dogs are property so yes killing a dog is different to killing a rat or a fly , you really don't seem to know very much at all , do you ?

And how on earth does that work in a rapidly unfolding situation, police working on information that the dogs are out of control and aggressive, arriving on the scene to find they're behaving exactly like that, they belong to a stupid and irresponsible man who has history of owning dangerous and aggressive dogs so owns these ones illegally - they should stop and track down a charity? How do you think that would go? Their priority here is not the dogs' lives and wellbeing and it absolutely shouldn't be. If people want to own bully breeds like this, if they want strong and heavy dogs with the ability to kill grown men, then they need to be really skilled and experienced owners who take that responsibility seriously. Not acquiring more big dogs after your last ones ripped someone's pet to shreds (a much worse death than being shot, by the way), parading them around on the tube, ignoring all the rules, refusing to cooperate with police. What you have here are a pair of dogs who pose a real and clear risk to the public if not owned by someone who knows what they're doing. Saving the dogs' lives is secondary to protecting the public who don't deserve to be put in danger by this man's selfish and ignorant reckless behaviour. This isn't some noble, romantic tragedy of man's best friend. This is someone entirely incapable of managing dogs like this, a disaster waiting to happen and we should all be grateful the dogs died rather than someone with the misfortune to walk past this guy on the wrong day.

What you have here are a pair of dogs who pose a real and clear risk to the public if not owned by someone who knows what they're doing.

As well as being a pair of beautiful dogs that deserved a better fate than ending up with this are*hole of an owner.

The police had no choice under the circumstances. The owner was the one at fault, but the dogs were the ones who suffered for it.

I'm not sure how true this is, but I read that the owner was told by the police way before the first dog was even shot, to hand them over because they were indeed going to shoot them. If this is true it blows the whole "the first dog lunging caused it to be shot" out of the water. In a way I hope that's not true because it makes the whole situation a hundred times more upsetting and a hundred times more chilling.

I call bullshit - this is simply not the way it works. The situation escalated because of the owner, pure and simple. There is footage today of the dogs attacking another dog and the idiot does nothing to stop them.

Funny how all these idiots never own chihuahuas or poodles, isn't it? If they were true dog lovers, surely it would not matter what size of dog they had? They own these breeds for one reason only, which is to intimidate.

strong and heavy dogs with the ability to kill grown men
c'mon now, after you typed those words did you not also have the thought: 'these are not animals that should be kept as pets'? @ThinkTheresBeenAGlitch