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flowagurl · 2023-05-08T07:40:29+00:00

I’m usually very empathetic and recently even posted on an animal testing post but I just can’t find any compassion in my heart for out of control and dangerous animals at the moment, it’s just getting ridiculous. I obviously feel for the owner who I hope gets some kind of mental support/ counselling. It’s so confusing as I’m usually so compassionate, I guess having a small child and the number of dog attacks does something to your brain? I hate walking past Bullies with my baby in the pram. Even normal dogs I’m starting to get very hesitant about. For context I usually cry if I step on a silver worm in the bathroom so this is a very strange reaction for me. Interested to hear what other dog owning/ non dog owning people think. Also the government are going to have to step in at some point right?

SidekickSylvia · 16/05/2023 11:59

Thank you emotionalsupportviper, that was my understanding of the whole situation too. I don't know why people can be outraged at the treatment of his 2 dogs, but not at their unprovoked attack of the smaller dog, or the behaviour of his previous dogs who killed another dog. The video upset me, but I think the police had no option and I agree that the guy is completely to blame for the outcome. I hope he never has dogs again.

Thesharkradar · 16/05/2023 12:00

He replied "Shoot them then." and released the lead of one of the dogs which ran towards the police officers
When he said 'shoot them then' his mindset was 'you discharge your weapon and I will discharge mine'
ie he thought there was a chance that his dog would take out the policeman before the policeman could take out his dog.
This man's dogs were purely weapons which he used to perpetrate acts of violence against other people and other people's pets.

DogInATent · 16/05/2023 12:01

I think pets have replaced religion in the lives of many people
You say that like it's a bad thing.

SquirrelFeed · 16/05/2023 13:12

The amount of you making up shit on this thread is unbelievable. Shark radar you need a day off.

Becky12123 · 16/05/2023 15:05

SquirrelFeed · 16/05/2023 13:12

The amount of you making up shit on this thread is unbelievable. Shark radar you need a day off.

lol it does seem @Thesharkradar has a full time job on this thread spouting nonsense.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 16/05/2023 15:25

Florenz · 15/05/2023 22:12

What is it about dogs that send people loopy?

That would their exceptionally wonderful understanding of the persons they live.,

I had a most unpleasant day yesterday and even let them to their own devices for most of the day. Did they mind? No. They knew I was shattered and they came on the sofa for a two dog sandwich cuddle, I didn’t have to prompt them or anything. No biscuits were involved.

Emotionalsupportviper · 16/05/2023 21:36

Anthillveggie · 16/05/2023 10:50

Better cats than religion.

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At one tomcats were religion . . .

Emotionalsupportviper · 16/05/2023 21:39

*At one time cats were religion, not "At one tomcats etc"

Sorry - I didn't proof read because it was such a short post I didn't think I'd cocked it up.

I was wrong . . . 😟

XenoBitch · 16/05/2023 21:49

Thesharkradar · 15/05/2023 23:59

I wonder if humans are just very prone to being fetishistic/religious about pets?

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FFS.
I attended a MH support group earlier today. A therapy dog (all registered etc) was there too and brought a lot of comfort to many of us.

If that means we are "loopy", then so be it.

Honestly, the loopy comments are from the dog haters. Have a look at yourself.

wildinthecountry · 16/05/2023 21:56

@ XenoBitch I attended various NHS groups where there was a therapy dog "Dylan" he was called and I loved spending time him . One was even a therapy pool . He is a very good and pops up everywhere .

wildinthecountry · 16/05/2023 21:58

I should also point out "Dylan" works as an NHS therapy dog .

Atethehalloweenchocs · 16/05/2023 23:25

OneFrenchEgg · Yesterday 23:23
I think dogs are allowed. But that photo to me is not 'poor lovely man with his friendly fur babies' and more 'entitled arsehole with his two menacing dogs'

Exactly this. I dont know any responsible dog owner that would let their dog do this. And what kind of person says 'go on then' if the police threaten to shoot your dogs. I would be desperately trying to calm things down and make sure my dogs were ok. I guess the answer is the kind of person who has already been banned from keeping dogs. Not sweet or lovely to me, just an illustration of why this man should never have animals. And given how quickly dog attacks can happen, the fact they are increasing, that these dogs are in high risk breeds for this, and that the police were told they had already attacked a person, what else could they do? I am a dog owner. I have a Rottweiler so am aware that some people react to what they think is a scary dog when the dog is actually very sweet and loving. And I totally agree that the police did the right thing here.

Lovethesun100 · 17/05/2023 20:40

Atethehalloweenchocs · 16/05/2023 23:25

OneFrenchEgg · Yesterday 23:23
I think dogs are allowed. But that photo to me is not 'poor lovely man with his friendly fur babies' and more 'entitled arsehole with his two menacing dogs'

Exactly this. I dont know any responsible dog owner that would let their dog do this. And what kind of person says 'go on then' if the police threaten to shoot your dogs. I would be desperately trying to calm things down and make sure my dogs were ok. I guess the answer is the kind of person who has already been banned from keeping dogs. Not sweet or lovely to me, just an illustration of why this man should never have animals. And given how quickly dog attacks can happen, the fact they are increasing, that these dogs are in high risk breeds for this, and that the police were told they had already attacked a person, what else could they do? I am a dog owner. I have a Rottweiler so am aware that some people react to what they think is a scary dog when the dog is actually very sweet and loving. And I totally agree that the police did the right thing here.

This is a good post.
However I would add that, having watched the video, I think the police let the puppy (2nd dog, 9 month old) off the catch pole they had secured it with so the armed officer could get a clean shot (away from officer holding it) to kill it.
Report of dog mauling person completely unverified at this point (and ultimately not true).
London, UK right ?

sillyonehetpes · 18/05/2023 14:16

@Lovethesun100 yeah the dog didn't escape from the pole, but why shoot it?

The woman's dog was in an altercation with the two dogs who were of a lead. The woman was bitten but didn't require medical attention. That's a fact and why the police were called?

WiddlinDiddlin · 18/05/2023 14:30

sillyonehetpes · 18/05/2023 14:16

@Lovethesun100 yeah the dog didn't escape from the pole, but why shoot it?

The woman's dog was in an altercation with the two dogs who were of a lead. The woman was bitten but didn't require medical attention. That's a fact and why the police were called?

Is it?

Because so far I have heard the following facts:

Small brown dog
Small fluffy white dog.
Dog bitten in multiple places including the head and required veterinary treatment.
Woman tripped over her own dogs lead and hurt her leg
Woman picked up her dog and Marshall and Millions jumped up at her
Woman did not require treatment
Woman was not bitten
Woman did not call the police
Dogs were recalled to owner and went
Dogs were fetched by someone else
Woman was mauled
Woman was attacked
Woman was dragged into the road and attacked

There are an awful lot of 'facts' that seem to have no verification as to whether they really happened at all, are related to the shooting, or anything else really.

As it stands...

Police did not verify the details of the complaint at all.
Police shot two dogs who were not actively attacking nor about to attack, anyone.
Both dogs were at various points, secured on lead, catchpole or both, and only not secured following police intervention (tasering owner, letting the catchpoled dog loose).

Police decided it was safer to discharge firearms in a public place, risking injury or fatality to humans, than to go with the dogs owner to his boat and talk to him there.

Lets ignore whether his dogs are illegal or not, whether he should have owned them or not - they were under control when police approached. The situation escalated as a result of police intervention and police put human lives at risk in continuing to escalate.

Had there been a ricochet incident and a bullet intended for one of the dogs hit a human, I think the outcry here would be VERY different.

The police as a body are NOT great at dog handling, even their own dog handlers (one of whom I can think of is currently suspended for various crimes against his retired police dog and a working police dog) have poor dog skills and those skills are really only applicable to working police dogs.

That failure to train officers here put humans at risk.

sillyonehetpes · 18/05/2023 14:44

@WiddlinDiddlin oh god another pathetic dog owner.

The police who shot the police did not endanger the public what so ever.

You have zero regard for the safety of the officers or public.

Trained police able to discharge a gun.

You forgot to mention the homeless man was banned from owning dogs. Owner refused to hand over the dogs. Owner got irate and disrespected the police. Owner held the dogs short on their lead and then threw one dog to charge at the police.

How about you follow the instructions of the police and the law.

Hope all dogs need to be kept on leads at this point and any that aren't are shot.

WiddlinDiddlin · 18/05/2023 14:57

They were on leads! Didn't stop them being shot did it.

He did let go of one, I mean he was also tasered and that does tend to scramble mind and motor function, but lets gloss over that too. At no point did he instruct a dog to charge at the police, you're making shit up now to suit your agenda.

IPOC wouldn't be investigating if there was no case to answer.

He should not have had the dogs in the first place. They should have been held on leads in the street which would have avoided the whole fucking thing, I have said this multiple times.

But to pretend that this had to happen to keep the public safe is absolute bollocks. IF the public were at zero risk from the firearms use, they were also at zero risk from the dogs.

My preferred out come would have been that he allowed his dogs to be seized, and they then be rehomed to someone already known to them (ie his family/friends) if anyone was suitable to do so, or euthanised humanely.

Theres plenty of nice dogs out there with responsible owners, I don't have a 'we must save them all' banner to wave here.

My issue is with police decisions made without full information, and the risk this put people (including police officers), and the lack of training the police have in effectively dealing with people and dogs. As a dog behaviourist, I know a fair bit about the latter issue.

I do hope you never need assistance from a dog - they do quite a lot you know and lots of it off lead. Please be sure to tell the police not to use a dog to find a criminal for you, ensure SAR never deploy a dog to find you in an accident or disaster. Never need an assistance dog or a medical detection dog, scent detection dog or cadaver dog. Never have a kid go missing and need a tracking dog.

mixedrecycling · 18/05/2023 15:17