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Two dogs shot in London by police

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flowagurl · 08/05/2023 08:40

I’m usually very empathetic and recently even posted on an animal testing post but I just can’t find any compassion in my heart for out of control and dangerous animals at the moment, it’s just getting ridiculous. I obviously feel for the owner who I hope gets some kind of mental support/ counselling.

It’s so confusing as I’m usually so compassionate, I guess having a small child and the number of dog attacks does something to your brain? I hate walking past Bullies with my baby in the pram. Even normal dogs I’m starting to get very hesitant about. For context I usually cry if I step on a silver worm in the bathroom so this is a very strange reaction for me.

Interested to hear what other dog owning/ non dog owning people think. Also the government are going to have to step in at some point right?

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ThinkTheresBeenAGlitch · 13/05/2023 22:44

Thesharkradar · 13/05/2023 22:18

strong and heavy dogs with the ability to kill grown men
c'mon now, after you typed those words did you not also have the thought: 'these are not animals that should be kept as pets'? @ThinkTheresBeenAGlitch

Yes, absolutely, I don't think anyone should own them at all. But if they do, it should be only very experienced and responsible owners, basically the absolute opposite to the people who actually do own them (probably because anyone who knows about dogs wouldn't want one!)

Thesharkradar · 13/05/2023 23:02

you nailed it right there@ThinkTheresBeenAGlitch

Thesharkradar · 13/05/2023 23:22

'people should not be allowed to have a dog that you would lose to in a fight'

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sillyonehetpes · 14/05/2023 23:42

NameChange900 · 08/05/2023 08:47

95% of dogs I come across are absolutely fine, but my son has been knocked down or jumped on by 3 dogs now so I am automatically cautious of all. It takes a lot of work to properly train a dog and some people think they can buy one and not bother.

Errrrrr 95% you say?

sillyonehetpes · 14/05/2023 23:47

Police 100% justified in how they handled the situation. They did nothing wrong and acted correctly.

Humans over animals. The human didn't get a bullet put inside him.

The second dog got free and wasn't restrained. Time to not take a chance - especially as the owner was tasered/distressed and a few moment before showed them police were a threat... plus the gun shot.

Would you like a child to be killed by one of these dogs?

sillyonehetpes · 14/05/2023 23:49

ohnobutitsok · 13/05/2023 14:06

Whether he was supposed to have the dogs or not this is about the trigger happy police. No one was attacked the met comfirmed it themselves she tripped over the leads then screamed at the man afterwards not shouting or saying any words screaming like a baby does very odd behaviour. When the police surrounded them explain how barking is dangerously out of control they were being held on their leads by the owner first was shot did it die immediately?? Didnt look like it. Someone tell me why the second dog was even shot? They had a catchpole round its neck then let it go panicked tasered it it went to the ground then shot it in the head for doing what?? Being scared surrounded by a load of men shouting and waving guns about. It wasnt attacking just barking at them? Its disgusting and vile behaviour from the police they didnt attack anyone. My old dog was attacked by a dog id consider dangerously out of control in the middle of the street owner couldnt get it back my dog was bit when reporting it to the police oh its not an offence for dog on dog attacks, i said its against the dangerous dogs act is it not to have dogs out of control. Err err well its not really enforcable. They make the rules up to what suits them at the time.

How the fuck do you trip over these short leads? Sounds like a kid

sillyonehetpes · 15/05/2023 02:04

EvergreenDream · 13/05/2023 18:27

@Emotionalsupportviper I agree to a certain extent BUT what the police should have done, and this is information coming from a video I’ve seen with Dominic Dyer, was to contact the ‘Dogs on the Streets’ charity, who knew one of the dogs. They could have helped to bring the situation to a less aggressive and distressing end!

I think the police were totally wrong in the way they handled this!

Errrrrrr they were acting in the best interests of the public. Dogs can't be reasoned with. The owner made a situation hostile and went for the police.

Thesharkradar · 15/05/2023 11:33

Errrrrrr they were acting in the best interests of the public
Dog worshippers believe that dogs should come before the public, that's why they're so upset about all this

sillyonehetpes · 15/05/2023 11:38

Thesharkradar · 15/05/2023 11:33

Errrrrrr they were acting in the best interests of the public
Dog worshippers believe that dogs should come before the public, that's why they're so upset about all this

People are so dumb. They will eat animals yet care about a species they remove from their mothers and exclude them from their own species. Weird.

Thesharkradar · 15/05/2023 11:44

sillyonehetpes · 15/05/2023 11:38

People are so dumb. They will eat animals yet care about a species they remove from their mothers and exclude them from their own species. Weird.

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It's all down to self indulgence, they eat animals because they enjoy the taste, they worship dogs because it gives them an opportunity to indulge themselves- prioritising their pet over people gives them a sense of power.

Stressedafff · 15/05/2023 12:49

Theres literally a Facebook group for justice for those dogs and half the people on there are posting saying the woman who phoned the police should be ashamed, she was “silly screaming” and she deserves karma. It’s like a diff planet

Megifer · 15/05/2023 12:57

Stressedafff · 15/05/2023 12:49

Theres literally a Facebook group for justice for those dogs and half the people on there are posting saying the woman who phoned the police should be ashamed, she was “silly screaming” and she deserves karma. It’s like a diff planet

They are idiots as its not even the same incident I don't think as it was dark and her dog was fine. She was just screaming though which makes me think that woman was possibly vulnerable so she doesn't deserve the comments she's getting.

A lot of the FB posts are from nutters tbf but a lot seem to be more concerned at the handling of the situation from the police and the precedent it sets.

Thesharkradar · 15/05/2023 13:00

Stressedafff · 15/05/2023 12:49

Theres literally a Facebook group for justice for those dogs and half the people on there are posting saying the woman who phoned the police should be ashamed, she was “silly screaming” and she deserves karma. It’s like a diff planet

Typical dog worshiper talk, they no doubt believe that those police officers should think themselves lucky that they had the opportunity to be seriously injured and possibly killed by these dogs that they hold in such high esteem.
They are deranged and you cannot reason with them 🤷

sillyonehetpes · 15/05/2023 13:59

Police do their job and people are up in arms

OneFrenchEgg · 15/05/2023 22:02

Everyone on social media sharing the tube photo and talking about these amazing cute soft dogs - taking up two seats, bloke wouldn't hand them over - I wouldn't want to bump into them or share a confined space.

Florenz · 15/05/2023 22:12

What is it about dogs that send people loopy?

sillyonehetpes · 15/05/2023 23:12

OneFrenchEgg · 15/05/2023 22:02

Everyone on social media sharing the tube photo and talking about these amazing cute soft dogs - taking up two seats, bloke wouldn't hand them over - I wouldn't want to bump into them or share a confined space.

Are they even allowed in the tube?

Gross their dirty asshole is on the seat.

OneFrenchEgg · 15/05/2023 23:23

I think dogs are allowed. But that photo to me is not 'poor lovely man with his friendly fur babies' and more 'entitled arsehole with his two menacing dogs'

Thesharkradar · 15/05/2023 23:59

Florenz · 15/05/2023 22:12

What is it about dogs that send people loopy?

I wonder if humans are just very prone to being fetishistic/religious about pets?

Florenz · 16/05/2023 00:08

I think pets have replaced religion in the lives of many people. When more people went to church people didn't treat pets like this, cats were allowed to roam free as were many dogs.

SidekickSylvia · 16/05/2023 08:29

Had the dogs attacked the woman's dog? Was that why she was screaming? (I've read the thread, but some say she simply got tangled up and others that the 2 dogs attacked hers, leaving it injured.) I would be distraught if two big dogs attacked mine.

Rottweilermummy · 16/05/2023 08:44

I'm a dog lover and owner hence my user name but responsible dog owners do not act entitled that their dogs should be allowed to go where they want and do what they want , yes they are allowed on the tube and trains having been on one at weekend it was our dogs first train ride she didn't enjoy bless her but she behaved and was no threat. Worst case scenario would gave been she had tail trodden on ,space she takes , I would never ever let her sit on a seat on public transport

mixedrecycling · 16/05/2023 09:58

Yes, dogs are allowed on the Tube - they are supposed to be carried on escalators so don't know what he did there (probably just ignored it).

Ddog travels on the Tube/bus/train and has learnt to settle down quietly by my feet. If it is crowded I might have her on my lap to make room and make sure she doesn't get stepped on (she is spaniel sized). She doesn't get to sit on a seat herself, those are for people.

Emotionalsupportviper · 16/05/2023 10:28

SidekickSylvia · 16/05/2023 08:29

Had the dogs attacked the woman's dog? Was that why she was screaming? (I've read the thread, but some say she simply got tangled up and others that the 2 dogs attacked hers, leaving it injured.) I would be distraught if two big dogs attacked mine.

As I understand it (and please correct me if I'm wrong if anyone has more accurate information),

The dogs were off leash and effectively out of control.

They attacked another (leashed) dog which panicked and tried to escape wrapping the owners legs with the lead. The woman screamed and fell (some reports say into the road - others don't mention this). Her dog was injured.

The dogs continued to worry at the woman's smaller dog. A passer by who saw what was happening understandably thought he woman was being attacked and called the police.

Someone apparently told the owner to put his dogs on a lead - he refused, got hold of their collars and started to leave with them.

The police arrived (presumably with a marksman - I think that this was precautionary as there have been some horrific dog attacks lately, and they had no idea what they might be facing).

The owner saw the police and at that point leashed his dogs, but continued to leave the scene. The police followed and asked him to stop. He refused. They told him the needed to see the dogs and check them for injuries. He refused to stop and continued on his way. An argument ensued. The dogs - already high on adrenaline following the attack on the woman's dogs - were barking and behaved in a way that suggested that they had become over-excited (and bear in mind that when any dog is over-excited, accidents can easily happen).

Owner refused to hand the dogs over (I imagine because he was banned form keeping dogs after his previous three dogs had attacked and killed another one). The police warned him, very clearly "If you don't hand them over we'll have to shoot them".

He replied "Shoot them then." and released the lead of one of the dogs which ran towards the police officers. It didn't have a lot of ground to cover - the two groups (man and dogs/police) were quite close. The marksman shot it.

I saw the shooting of the first dog, which looked to me like an accurate, clean kill, in the video.

I didn't see the shooting the second dog which was apparently cowering with fright and was also apparently caught by one of those poles.

It later transpired that the woman had not been bitten but her dog had (however if it is correct that she fell into the road she could easily have been hit by a car).

I love dogs. I have never had less than three, and at one time had eight in the house - my own 6 and my daughter's 2, and I found this was a very distressing, but I honestly don't think that the police could have acted any other way under the circumstances.

The dog running towards the police officers could easily have bitten someone if it felt its owner was under threat; the other dog may have "cowered" but that doesn't mean it wasn't dangerous- frightened animals often are.

The one and only person responsible for this awful incident was the owner.

Anthillveggie · 16/05/2023 10:50

Florenz · 16/05/2023 00:08

I think pets have replaced religion in the lives of many people. When more people went to church people didn't treat pets like this, cats were allowed to roam free as were many dogs.

Better cats than religion.