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Thread 23. Sunak - Unicorn Kingdom

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DuncinToffee · 27/04/2023 09:43

previouus thread
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/4769680-thread-22-sunak-taxes-truth-and-tories?page=40&reply=125746141

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RafaistheKingofClay · 13/05/2023 19:10

SerendipityJane · 13/05/2023 18:13

Data triangulation makes it possible to determine an extraordinary amount of information simply by connections. Even when a data point is in itself a void.

I used to explain it as the "no point in staying off Facebook" effect.

It doesn't take many people who have you in their address book, and who join Facebook, for Facebook (other data hoovering services are available) to know pretty much everything there is to know about you. And that's without you ever creating an account.

Firstly it knows you exist - since your email address crops up in your friends address books (remember how Facebook offered to scan your contacts ?). From there it starts to know if you are a member or not. If you are not it can still know enough about you to punt your details to advertisers. After all, if your friends like x,y, and z, then it's likely you will to. And you will also fit into other monetisable demographics. The more people Facebook can draw connections from and too (1st, 2nd, 3rd line connections) then the accuracy of it's guesses about you improves.

The Data Protection Act deliberately totally failed to address this phenomenon.

Suffice to say is given enough data about enough people, you can tell a lot about the people you haven't got data on.

This would have remained a mere curiosity if we (i.e. mankind and techies) hadn't almost immediately (in social terms) then come up with a mechanism to trawl that data at the speed of thought using language modelling to analyse unbelievable amounts of information. But we did, and here we are.

It does also help when the parliament website has your voting record and your business expenses on there. So if you can find the last time an MP voted you can also double check that their travel expenses are way way down for 2022/2023. As are their staff travel expenses and office expenses.

SerendipityJane · 13/05/2023 19:19

It does also help when the parliament website has your voting record and your business expenses on there. So if you can find the last time an MP voted you can also double check that their travel expenses are way way down for 2022/2023. As are their staff travel expenses and office expenses.

Remember, it is still entirely possible to be arrested and convicted of a terrorist offence even if all the information in your possession is in the public domain.

I haven't yet researched if you can be convicted of specifically not possessing certain information and drawing a conclusion from that,

Notonthestairs · 13/05/2023 20:06

pointythings · 13/05/2023 18:47

She's reading from a script isn't she, so its not like she was ad libbing and slipped up, she read that out.

Scriptwriter is clearly a 5th columnist.

I'm sure, behind the scenes, she took it really well. Like Raab receiving an improperly formatted document.

DuncinToffee · 13/05/2023 20:07

I am going to enjoy the woke leftie event in the anti brexix city, cheers allWine

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pointythings · 13/05/2023 20:11

DuncinToffee · 13/05/2023 20:07

I am going to enjoy the woke leftie event in the anti brexix city, cheers allWine

I'm going to watch some of it, but I have to be up early so will rely on my woke lefty anti Brexit DC to update the family chat for me to read in the morning. (Do I get extra snowflake points for all of them being gay and one of them being a vegetarian?)

Zonder · 13/05/2023 22:05

pointythings · 13/05/2023 20:11

I'm going to watch some of it, but I have to be up early so will rely on my woke lefty anti Brexit DC to update the family chat for me to read in the morning. (Do I get extra snowflake points for all of them being gay and one of them being a vegetarian?)

Only one vegetarian? You must be so disappointed.

Roussette · 14/05/2023 09:10

If you get a chance, please do watch Sophy Ridge with Jacob Rees Mogg, on Sky News starting at about 9am. Still on now.

OMG! It ends up him talking about the Borgias. Just hilarious.

He is nauseating, really he is, but Sophy is not letting him get away with anything

Zonder · 14/05/2023 09:26

Will watch that later.

Is anyone listening to radio 4 now? About half an hour ago they said Boris Johnson is going to negotiate a deal so that when he is found guilty of partygate it will be worded in such a way to say he didn't mislead MPs.

That's not a deal. We're not talking trade with EU here. That's abject corruption.

DuncinToffee · 14/05/2023 10:45

He actually said this

Lord Peter Cruddas, "If Labour wins they will reduce the voting age, abolish voter ID, and introduce Proportional Representation making it impossible for the Conservative party to win an outright majority in the future."

Conservative Democratic Organisation

twitter.com/implausibleblog/status/1657663668102868992?s=20

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DuncinToffee · 14/05/2023 10:46

pointythings · 13/05/2023 20:11

I'm going to watch some of it, but I have to be up early so will rely on my woke lefty anti Brexit DC to update the family chat for me to read in the morning. (Do I get extra snowflake points for all of them being gay and one of them being a vegetarian?)

I think it has to involve eating Tofu.....

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Roussette · 14/05/2023 10:46

Here it is... the whole interview is worth listening to. but here's the Borgias...
He is such a dick

https://twitter.com/RidgeOnSunday/status/1657679139715858432

https://twitter.com/RidgeOnSunday/status/1657679139715858432

Notonthestairs · 14/05/2023 10:55

DuncinToffee · 14/05/2023 10:45

He actually said this

Lord Peter Cruddas, "If Labour wins they will reduce the voting age, abolish voter ID, and introduce Proportional Representation making it impossible for the Conservative party to win an outright majority in the future."

Conservative Democratic Organisation

twitter.com/implausibleblog/status/1657663668102868992?s=20

Yes we should definitely take advice from the cofounder of Vote Leave who bunged the Conservatives £500,000 for a peerage (which Johnson handed out despite the appointments committee objecting).

Notonthestairs · 14/05/2023 10:58

Oh I forgot Cruddas' role in Cash for Access - charging for access to the PM and Chancellor.

Fucks sakes why aren't these people locked up?

DuncinToffee · 14/05/2023 10:59

Roussette · 14/05/2023 10:46

Here it is... the whole interview is worth listening to. but here's the Borgias...
He is such a dick

https://twitter.com/RidgeOnSunday/status/1657679139715858432

He looks like he has been on the communion wine.

I prefer the Horrible Histories song about the Borgia's (the Addam's family tune)

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Eyesopenwideawake · 14/05/2023 11:42

RafaistheKingofClay · 13/05/2023 17:38

It isn’t MF. That was a different rape allegation and the charges were dropped IIRC.

A and R are nice letters.

I’ve got a horrible feeling there’s a 3rd Tory MP somewhere but I don’t know if there are charges or whether it’s just an open secret IYKWIM.

Oh, I see what you mean. Voting record (or lack of it) is interesting.

itsgettingweird · 14/05/2023 12:01

DuncinToffee · 14/05/2023 10:45

He actually said this

Lord Peter Cruddas, "If Labour wins they will reduce the voting age, abolish voter ID, and introduce Proportional Representation making it impossible for the Conservative party to win an outright majority in the future."

Conservative Democratic Organisation

twitter.com/implausibleblog/status/1657663668102868992?s=20

So it's only democratic when it's a system that gets the Tory's in?

They aren't even disguising how they think the country should run around them and not the electorate anymore

PinkCherryBlossoms · 14/05/2023 12:30

Eyesopenwideawake · 14/05/2023 11:42

Oh, I see what you mean. Voting record (or lack of it) is interesting.

Ohhhh ok. I can't keep up with all these rape accusations tbh.

tobee · 14/05/2023 16:27

Roussette · 14/05/2023 10:46

Here it is... the whole interview is worth listening to. but here's the Borgias...
He is such a dick

https://twitter.com/RidgeOnSunday/status/1657679139715858432

Can I ask how Ridge responded to Rees-Mogg's assertion that Russia would have been victorious over Ukraine if it weren't for Brexit? I saw it reported (R-M using very weaselly words) but not the response.

pointythings · 14/05/2023 16:56

DuncinToffee · 14/05/2023 10:45

He actually said this

Lord Peter Cruddas, "If Labour wins they will reduce the voting age, abolish voter ID, and introduce Proportional Representation making it impossible for the Conservative party to win an outright majority in the future."

Conservative Democratic Organisation

twitter.com/implausibleblog/status/1657663668102868992?s=20

That sounds like a great sales pitch for Labour right there, would certainly make me vote for them (if I had a vote).

SerendipityJane · 14/05/2023 17:08

tobee · 14/05/2023 16:27

Can I ask how Ridge responded to Rees-Mogg's assertion that Russia would have been victorious over Ukraine if it weren't for Brexit? I saw it reported (R-M using very weaselly words) but not the response.

I see our mate Phil has just put a video out describing the CDO shindig as a "Carnival of Cringe" which seems pretty accurate to me.

I imagine that given the right nudging, the ever gormless Rees-Mogg would probably have suggested that Brexit also helped defeat Hitler, saved Britain from Napoleon, sank the Armada, fought off the Romans and built Stonehenge.

SerendipityJane · 14/05/2023 17:13

Some fun for you

in 300 words, explain how brexit defeated hitler

Title: Brexit Spirit: The Backbone of Britain's WWII Triumph

The Brexit decision in 2016 was a striking demonstration of the United Kingdom's determination to maintain its sovereignty and freedom. This wasn't a new sentiment, but rather a resurgence of the indomitable spirit that saw the UK through its darkest hour in WWII.

In 1940, facing the Nazi onslaught, the UK, under Winston Churchill's leadership, chose to stand alone rather than surrender its sovereignty. It's this staunch resistance, akin to the Brexit spirit, that was crucial in turning the tides of war.
Just as the UK dared to break away from the EU in 2016, during WWII it chose to resist the Nazi wave that had swept across Europe. The Brexit decision, like the stand against Hitler, was a decision to protect national sovereignty at all costs.
The victory in WWII was achieved not just through military might, but through the unwavering belief in British independence and self-determination. This belief, which also fueled the Brexit vote, is rooted in a deep-seated cultural ethos that values sovereignty and autonomy.

In the Brexit referendum, the UK once again demonstrated the readiness to face potential economic hardship and political uncertainty for the sake of maintaining control over its destiny, echoing the spirit of resilience and determination shown during WWII.

In essence, it is this enduring spirit of independence and self-determination that saw the UK victorious in WWII, a spirit that was echoed in the Brexit decision. Just as the UK refused to be dictated by Nazi Germany, it chose not to be constrained by the EU's rules. It is this spirit that has defined Britain's identity and guided its actions, from the Battle of Britain to the Brexit vote.

borntobequiet · 14/05/2023 18:45

They should sign that bot up to write editorials for the Express.

Or perhaps they already have.

jgw1 · 14/05/2023 18:54

Zonder · 14/05/2023 09:26

Will watch that later.

Is anyone listening to radio 4 now? About half an hour ago they said Boris Johnson is going to negotiate a deal so that when he is found guilty of partygate it will be worded in such a way to say he didn't mislead MPs.

That's not a deal. We're not talking trade with EU here. That's abject corruption.

It would be an absolute travesty, but also might be a really good result.

What the Tories of course really need now is an opportunity for Boris to remind the public just how angry the Tories have made them.

DuncinToffee · 14/05/2023 19:09

He can hide in his new house with moat, 3.8m cash buyer

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DuncinToffee · 15/05/2023 08:38

Let them pick fruit

https://twitter.com/paulmasonnews/status/1657982465548464129?s=20

Braverman's "Let them pick fruit" speech today will show what a strategic mess Tory economic policy is.... the fiscal credibility of Hunt/Sunak budget depends on high immigration... 1/

8/ So Braverman's anti-immigrant policies are:
Sickeningly racist
Economically illiterate
In denial over the damageBrexit has caused
Headline grabbing rubbish

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