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Thread 23. Sunak - Unicorn Kingdom

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DuncinToffee · 27/04/2023 09:43

previouus thread
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/4769680-thread-22-sunak-taxes-truth-and-tories?page=40&reply=125746141

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RafaistheKingofClay · 10/05/2023 17:00

I hadn’t realised the Met were only coming clean now because they got caught out. Should probably have guessed.

In a representative democracy surely ‘the will of the people’ isn’t the job ofMPs. It’s to do what’s right for all their constituents. Leaving aside the fact that that more people voted against your manifesto than for it, this particular piece of legislation wasn’t inthe manifesto and it’s hardly Rishi’s manifesto anyway. And not even the Tory membership voted for him, let alone the people.

tobee · 10/05/2023 17:09

U turn on ditching all EU laws :-

Ministers to ditch deadline to scrap retained EU laws www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65546319

DuncinToffee · 10/05/2023 17:15

Remember Sunak's election campaign where he was shredding all those pesky EU laws within 100 days Grin

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DuncinToffee · 10/05/2023 17:20

I missed this gem Shock

Telegraph (midnight): "School leavers can work as doctors without a degree under radical NHS shake-up"

Telegraph (3:15pm): "NHS apprentice doctor scheme branded risky by medics who 'lack time to train them'"

The wheels came off that particular harebrained scheme VERY fast!

twitter.com/edwinhayward/status/1656323728328871938?s=20

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jgw1 · 10/05/2023 17:21

DuncinToffee · 10/05/2023 17:20

I missed this gem Shock

Telegraph (midnight): "School leavers can work as doctors without a degree under radical NHS shake-up"

Telegraph (3:15pm): "NHS apprentice doctor scheme branded risky by medics who 'lack time to train them'"

The wheels came off that particular harebrained scheme VERY fast!

twitter.com/edwinhayward/status/1656323728328871938?s=20

It is actual not a new idea, it has been kicking around for a few years, just today someone decided to make some noise about it.

DuncinToffee · 10/05/2023 17:26

I didn't know that but it doesn't surprise me.

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Notonthestairs · 10/05/2023 17:36

Johnson's legal aid bill is up to £245,000. So at least that's money well spent (need a Pannick eye rolling gif here)

DuncinToffee · 10/05/2023 18:10

A Pannick first pump more likely as it pays his wages

from the BBC article
The contract to hire Mr Johnson's legal team - led by top barrister Lord Pannick KC - was signed last August, shortly before he was forced to resign as prime minister.
It was this week extended for a second time, rising in value from £222,000 to £245,000.

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Notonthestairs · 10/05/2023 19:53

Impartiality at the BBC.

"Sir Robbie Gibb, a BBC board member, ordered a news chief not to interrogate Vote Leave’s £350 million Brexit bus campaign after the referendum, a book has claimed.
Gibb, who was editor of live political programmes in 2016 and went on to work for Theresa May in No 10, was “horrified” by the idea of putting the controversial claim under the microscope, according to Rob Burley, a former BBC editor."
Gibb dismissed the £350 million as a campaign slogan and therefore not a lie.

Gibb also characterised Osborne's suggestion that Brexit would cost £4,300 per family as bizarre, politically motivated (!) and based on the premise that leaving the EU would be a disaster.

Which of course is all wrong as it's been nothing less than a triumph.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bbc-editor-ordered-colleague-not-to-investigate-350m-brexit-bus-claim-mpmnmmj3w

DuncinToffee · 10/05/2023 20:07

Jenrick being called out on his lies

They're not asylum shoppers they're asylum seekers... That's not true."

@krishgm challenges immigration minister Robert Jenrick after he claims "asylum shoppers" should seek sanctuary in the first safe country they reach under the "Refugee Convention".

https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1656355549032660994?s=20

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pointythings · 10/05/2023 20:22

That was well done. Channel 4, one of a few outlets with the guts to call them out. Bet Mad Nad is frothing that she didn't get to privatise them.

jgw1 · 10/05/2023 20:26

DuncinToffee · 10/05/2023 20:07

Jenrick being called out on his lies

They're not asylum shoppers they're asylum seekers... That's not true."

@krishgm challenges immigration minister Robert Jenrick after he claims "asylum shoppers" should seek sanctuary in the first safe country they reach under the "Refugee Convention".

https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1656355549032660994?s=20

Can we keep that safe to link to it each time we are told on here that refugees should stop in the first country they move to?

Notonthestairs · 10/05/2023 20:35

Tories rewriting the Refugee Convention to suit their own ends.

Very good to see news presenters (and presumably editors etc in the background) refuse to accept deliberate distortions. .

The Tories will probably boycott Ch4 news as they did under Johnson 🙄

jgw1 · 10/05/2023 20:49

Notonthestairs · 10/05/2023 20:35

Tories rewriting the Refugee Convention to suit their own ends.

Very good to see news presenters (and presumably editors etc in the background) refuse to accept deliberate distortions. .

The Tories will probably boycott Ch4 news as they did under Johnson 🙄

As long as they only lie about it in a specific and limited way it doesn't count and anyway who wrote it, some kind of left wing garlic eating wokerati french snail blob I expect.

RafaistheKingofClay · 10/05/2023 21:25

I’ve bookmarked that tweet, but I can guarantee it will make no difference to the next thread on here.

Someone (possibly Amnesty) has a list of myths about asylum seekers. That doesn’t work either.

Notonthestairs · 11/05/2023 08:21

Grrrr. The Times has a front page article outlining the latest wheeze from the Government. Apparently the answer to the lack of GPs is to co-opt staff grade and associate specialist hospital doctors into GP surgeries. These doctors are often very experienced specialists fulfilling a vital function within hospitals. The idea that they can easily be redeployed in to an entirely different setting and specialism is nothing short of ridiculous.
As if hospitals have accidentally employed too many specialists for the hell of it!

This is down to the Government's absolute failure - or refusal- to carry out NHS workforce planning. We then get a corresponding scrabble to come up with half baked ideas.

This is not how you treat either the medical workforce or prioritise the nations health.

IClaudine · 11/05/2023 08:47

jgw1 · 10/05/2023 20:49

As long as they only lie about it in a specific and limited way it doesn't count and anyway who wrote it, some kind of left wing garlic eating wokerati french snail blob I expect.

This is so offensive. The wokerati would never eat snails. Tofu only.

SerendipityJane · 11/05/2023 08:48

This is not how you treat either the medical workforce or prioritise the nations health.

But haven't we already learned that isn't the governments job ? My recollection of post Brexit governments is that slowly but surely there have been successive statements from successive ministers that all and any part of daily life isn't their responsibility. It's ours. Couple that with a supine press, and you land up where we are. A fucking massive government taking more money that at any time in history from a country that's poorer than it's been for 3 generations, and it's "nobodys fault" except Jeremy Corbyn. Or Ukraine. Or Meghan. Or whatever.

SerendipityJane · 11/05/2023 08:50

I notice that well known party of truth - the Tories - are "promising" they won't enter into any electoral pacts at the next election. Not that I believe a word of it.

DuncinToffee · 11/05/2023 09:01

SerendipityJane · 11/05/2023 08:50

I notice that well known party of truth - the Tories - are "promising" they won't enter into any electoral pacts at the next election. Not that I believe a word of it.

Sunak's spokesperson refused to rule out a pact with the DUP, reform or Reclaim yesterday after pmq's

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Notonthestairs · 11/05/2023 09:01

SerendipityJane · 11/05/2023 08:50

I notice that well known party of truth - the Tories - are "promising" they won't enter into any electoral pacts at the next election. Not that I believe a word of it.

Wonder if the DUP rates have gone up to reflect CoL and inflation - £2 billion this time?

DuncinToffee · 11/05/2023 09:03

BoE set to raise interest rates

https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1656553898579210241?s=20

Prof Martin Weale(former member BoE MPC) - "Inflationary pressures seem to be stronger in Britain... caused by the effects of brexit & limiting immigration..."

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SerendipityJane · 11/05/2023 09:06

DuncinToffee · 11/05/2023 09:01

Sunak's spokesperson refused to rule out a pact with the DUP, reform or Reclaim yesterday after pmq's

But since I don't believe a word he says anyway, what does that matter ?

Speaking of believing people, I see Goves Big Idea about leases has also mysteriously disappeared into the ether. Luckily I never believed it either.

There's a pattern here.

My late DM used to say "I'll believe it when I see it" a lot. We should teach our journalists to say it. My need to use phonetics, if they struggle forming the sounds.

DuncinToffee · 11/05/2023 09:13

The whole Teeswork on Teesside situation is looking very corrupt

Here is Ben Houchen getting very aggitated

https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/1656559704846266369?s=20

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