Eleanor Williams gets 8 years

[YNK]

Is this the right length of sentence to reflect the damage done?

Should have been longer:

She ruined the lives of the accused to the extent some tried to kill themselves, split a community, misused many thousands of police funding and who knows how much time time which could have been spent dealing with real crimes and real survivors, made it harder for real victims to be believed, showed almost no remorse, used hours and hours of court time, , cost the NHS money dealing with her fabricated injuries..

Give false accusers the same as those they accused would have got if found guilty based on their lies.. the judge was too soft. I hope this is reviewd by Atttorney General and rhe sentence is extended substantially.

I also hope she gets substantial mental health support while serving her sentence

Here's the damage that she's done, and the fall out will last for years, damaging many many women from her community.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/mar/16/eleanor-williams-case-has-made-abuse-victims-reluctant-to-report-says-charity?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

If you care about female rape victims, you should not be defending this woman.

I agree

And no, I don’t agree with a pp’s opinion that all rapists and child molesters are mentally ill (though some are of course). Most do it because they want to and they can.

But if a rapist hit himself in the face with a hammer during his crime I might be more suspicious of a mental illness.

Wayne Couzens kept banging his head on the Police cell wall and was taken to hospital. He stopped, after he realised it wasn't wearing well with the Police and probably, because he had a headache.

Do we trust the police to investigate sexual crimes? Do we trust them to do so at all or ever?

@lauraloulou1

Well, when you read what this Police woman has to say, you'd conclude that you shouldn't:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11885303/Susanna-Reid-feels-frightened-women-London-damning-Met-Police-report.html

One female officer, who claims she was raped by a male colleague while they were dating, told Dame Louise: 'If I went through the same things I went through back then I would 100% not report it and I would advise my friends and family not to either. It's not worth it. I wouldn't report it to the police. I tried to kill myself that year because of the police investigation, it was draining the life out of me'.

Fucking rapists ruin lives too! And they might get 5 years in the extremely rare case that they are convicted of rape. Less than one in 100 reported rapes actually leads to a conviction,
https://www.city.ac.uk/news-and-events/news/2022/04/new-scorecards-show-under-1-of-reported-rapes-lead-to-conviction-criminologist-explains-why-englands-justice-system-continues-to-fail#

And that's 1% of rapes that are reported to police. You can only guess at how many more women don't report an attack that left them traumatised, feeling filthy or even ashamed of having somehow provoked the assault.

Yes, she did a terrible thing and it should be taken seriously. If only police and local authorities had taken the crimes against girls in Rotherham etc seriously -- a far greater number of people whose lives were ruined.

But let's throw the book at a woman who is clearly in need of mental healthcare. A history of self-harm, to the extent of smashing her own face up with a hammer.

God, how I wish violence against women and girls was treated so seriously.

@Ofcourseshecan And that is one of the reasons EW is so hated - she took valuable police resource away from REAL victims of rape. Maybe if all those hours and money had gone to another case, someone else would have seen proper justice.

Never mind throwing the book - chuck a whole library at her and her ilk.

But yes, she definitely seems to need mental health support and I really hope she gets it