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Did he propose? Am I engaged?

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crymeout · 13/03/2023 07:41

DP and I are in the process of buying a house. We've talked about getting married before and wanting to be married but we are going to wait until we move (we never explicitly said this but it was understood by both from circumstances). Last night, we were celebrating our house purchase (I wasn't feeling well at the weekend) and had quite a lot of Prosecco/champagne. At one point DP says 'now all that's left to do is get married' and I said 'yes, please' and we kissed. Does that count? A, I now engaged? DP is fast asleep so can't ask him yet but would you say that counts/assume you were engaged after that??

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Grrrrdarling · 22/03/2023 20:42

crymeout · 13/03/2023 07:41

DP and I are in the process of buying a house. We've talked about getting married before and wanting to be married but we are going to wait until we move (we never explicitly said this but it was understood by both from circumstances). Last night, we were celebrating our house purchase (I wasn't feeling well at the weekend) and had quite a lot of Prosecco/champagne. At one point DP says 'now all that's left to do is get married' and I said 'yes, please' and we kissed. Does that count? A, I now engaged? DP is fast asleep so can't ask him yet but would you say that counts/assume you were engaged after that??

No he hasn’t proposed; unless there was a ring & him down on bended knee.

Grrrrdarling · 22/03/2023 20:44

Pixiedust1234 · 13/03/2023 07:45

No, you are not engaged. He stated that is all thats left to do, it wasn't a question.

Exactly. It was a statement not a question.
It would have been the perfect time to pop the question but partner missed the opportunity 😂

Liorae · 22/03/2023 22:31

Grrrrdarling · 22/03/2023 20:42

No he hasn’t proposed; unless there was a ring & him down on bended knee.

Most people I know got engaged with no knee involved and the ring, if any, came after. Instagram gives people ridiculous over-expectations.

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Grrrrdarling · 23/03/2023 00:57

Liorae · 22/03/2023 22:31

Most people I know got engaged with no knee involved and the ring, if any, came after. Instagram gives people ridiculous over-expectations.

They aren’t a given just a minimum of what could have occurred for the interaction to be considered a proposal.
People can propose how they want to to make it special & unique to them but at the end of the day the guy didn’t ask OP the question, will you marry me, he just made a statement that they need to do that next.
OP is not engaged… yet!

crymeout · 23/03/2023 09:17

Update (kind of😂):

He said the same thing again last night. I know 100% if I asked him he'd say yes but I want him to ask me Grin we're expecting to be moved in 5 weeks from tomorrow so I'm going to assume that once we're in, he will ask shortly. If there's nothing by autumn, then I will do it Grin

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Blossomtoes · 23/03/2023 09:23

but I want him to ask me

Why? I bet if I were to ask him, he’d say he doesn’t need to ask because you both know you’re getting married.

ShirleyPhallus · 23/03/2023 09:34

Blossomtoes · 23/03/2023 09:23

but I want him to ask me

Why? I bet if I were to ask him, he’d say he doesn’t need to ask because you both know you’re getting married.

Well luckily you aren’t in their relationship and that’s what the OP has said she wants which is absolutely fine!

Blossomtoes · 23/03/2023 09:38

I know it’s fine. It’s also fine for me not to understand why. 🤷‍♀️

crymeout · 23/03/2023 09:42

@Blossomtoes it's not so much that I want to hear the words 'will you marry me', but I want him to instigate the actual event, whether that be the traditional way, or a more 'shall we book x for October' iyswim Smile

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ShirleyPhallus · 23/03/2023 09:55

crymeout · 23/03/2023 09:42

@Blossomtoes it's not so much that I want to hear the words 'will you marry me', but I want him to instigate the actual event, whether that be the traditional way, or a more 'shall we book x for October' iyswim Smile

In real life, everyone I know has discussed getting married and then the man proposes either with a fake ring then they design one together or a ring he’s chosen. It’s only on MN that someone has to mention they might want to get married that day and then that’s meant to be the engagement done and a sign to get the register office booked for the next month (anything more would be tacky)

Blossomtoes · 23/03/2023 10:06

It’s not only on MN at all. I’ve been married twice and never received a proposal

ancientgran · 23/03/2023 10:15

I've also been married twice and never had a proposal. We just discussed the future and marrying was what we both wanted.

ShirleyPhallus · 23/03/2023 10:50

Yes but I don’t know either of you in real life 🤦🏼‍♀️

WhatWouldJeevesDo · 23/03/2023 10:52

A fake ring??? Never heard of that in real life.

Blossomtoes · 23/03/2023 10:58

ShirleyPhallus · 23/03/2023 10:50

Yes but I don’t know either of you in real life 🤦🏼‍♀️

But you said only on MN. Both of us exist in real life, we’re not MN bots.

ShirleyPhallus · 23/03/2023 10:59

Blossomtoes · 23/03/2023 10:58

But you said only on MN. Both of us exist in real life, we’re not MN bots.

In real life, everyone I know

^^ read it again

Blossomtoes · 23/03/2023 11:00

ShirleyPhallus · 23/03/2023 10:59

In real life, everyone I know

^^ read it again

It’s only on MN

You can’t even remember what you wrote. 😉

Eyerollcentral · 23/03/2023 18:36

crymeout · 23/03/2023 09:42

@Blossomtoes it's not so much that I want to hear the words 'will you marry me', but I want him to instigate the actual event, whether that be the traditional way, or a more 'shall we book x for October' iyswim Smile

Of course the ‘traditional way’ would have been before you moved in together and bought a house. Suppose that’s what makes me cringe at this attitude. It’s totally performative and inauthentic. Why are you going to delay your wish to get married by potentially six months??? Mad. You could be married by then if you just said I want us to start planning a wedding.

WombatChocolate · 23/03/2023 22:12

I think a lot of people struggle to understand how deeply ingrained the eerie to be ‘asked’ is. There were centuries of women being asked to marry by men and that happening before they lived together. We are really only 2 generations into people living together as the norm first. Attitudes and inbuilt senses don’t change over night.

Whether there’s a formal proposal or a simple chat and agreement to marry, somewhere along the line, for it to happen, both people have to agree. Someone has to initiate the conversation, or progress a conversation that might have started tentatively and theoretically but then progresses. And we know that not all men and all women want to get married. There is always a risk or fear that the other person might not want to if you do. So for many, it isn’t as simple as ‘just deciding’. Lots of people live together and within that lots have 1 partner who don’t actually want to be committed much at all, some have one who isn’t sure and some are committed but don’t want to marry. And that’s hard for the one who wants to marrry. When only one wants to, often it’s the woman who wants to.

So I think that many women still yearn for a proposal, or an initiation from the man. Often, they’ve made it claear they’d like to get married. What they want is the man to say the same….to confirm it. Until they actually say it, whether you call it asking or proposing or just saying, most women who want to get married, don’t feel 100% sure it is going to happen. They want the man to say it/ask because it shows an active choice. People don’t generally want engagement to be something the other person just found they’d slipped into, without really wanting it to happen and without actively making that choice.

Today, so much happens in relationships which in a sense is ‘slipped into’ without a conscious effort or commitment. People have sex early in a relationship and often it isn’t a reflection of whether they want something longer term or not. People often move in together after a short period. It’s often a bit of a ‘try’ but with no commitment to anything longer, and an understanding either spoken or unspoken that if things don’t work out, the tenancy is only 6 months, so it will be easy to move on from. And then it becomes a second tenancy and maybe a third…but it’s still a bit of a sense of drift and for many hasn’t really invovled both agreeing anything about forever or the longer term future. And often people have a child. Many haven’t made any commitment to each other. Some are committed in some sense, but whether that’s forever or will lead to marriage still isn’t clear. No formal commitment or decision has been required for any of those things. In many ways, the relationship can still be quite open ended after all of that. But marriage is something more definite and involves making active choices and speaking something out both when deciding to do it, and when getting married itself. That active choice is actually really important still to many people. Society is more traditional than we might think or some hope. Most women would still like to be asked to marry their man, by them. Him saying it and asking is different to just finding you’ve drifted into living together.

Clearly, not everyone wants to marry and not every woman feels she wants or needs the man to launch the proposal, or there even to be a sense of being engaged. Many feel it’s meaningless or the show takes over from what matters. But many women who are now married, or are in couples and would like to be married, or those who are single, either did before they were married, or still today, hope that their man or a man will propose one day. It was important to them. Personally I think it’s okay to feel like that and not being a traitor to progress.

WombatChocolate · 23/03/2023 22:24

Eyerollcentral · 23/03/2023 18:36

Of course the ‘traditional way’ would have been before you moved in together and bought a house. Suppose that’s what makes me cringe at this attitude. It’s totally performative and inauthentic. Why are you going to delay your wish to get married by potentially six months??? Mad. You could be married by then if you just said I want us to start planning a wedding.

I suppose lots of women don’t say ‘I want us to start planning a wedding’ because they feel pushy and also fear that the answer might be ‘no’. They don’t want to feel they have pushed the man into it, but that he has actively chosen himself. Perhaps this stems from the idea or the reality that many men don’t want to get married. Marrying someone with a sense they wouldn’t have chosen it themselves, or they only agreed because you asked them but they didn’t really want to, isn’t very appealing to most people.

I suppose that if you want to get married and value marriage and your man has a similar attitude, it’s easier to just have a sensible conversation about it and agree together. But the reality is that these things are not always totally equal. One person reaches the desire to get married sooner than the other in most couples. It’s not always the woman but it often is. There isn’t an easy conversation where you just find yourself having decided together, because it’s a tricky conversation, often multiple times where one isn’t keen on the idea. And after a few times of that, the keener person can really feel that they can’t say anymore and don’t want to push the other person into something they don’t want. So they wait and hope to be asked. Sometimes it’s just a matter of time. Sometimes it’s in vain. But I think this is a reality for lots of women. It isn’t simply a case of having a sensible conversation and both people definitely thinking the same.

OP’s conversation suggests both her and her partner see marriage in the future. Op would like that to be definitively agreed now. Her partner knows that. But he hasn’t yet turned a theoretical conversation into a proposal and active asking. OP could do that herself. Perhaps she worries he would say ‘not yet’ or that he wants to do the asking, or that she wants him to ask.

It is an old societal norm that the man asks. Women can of course do it. But actually I think more still like to be asked. It doesn’t have to be a big event for many (although some do want that)…but simply that the man has made that decision, is prepared to out himself on the line (face possible rejection) and ask. Is that on the way out and will it be gone in another generation or two? I do t feel it will, but perhaps I’m wrong.

Eyerollcentral · 23/03/2023 23:04

WombatChocolate · 23/03/2023 22:24

I suppose lots of women don’t say ‘I want us to start planning a wedding’ because they feel pushy and also fear that the answer might be ‘no’. They don’t want to feel they have pushed the man into it, but that he has actively chosen himself. Perhaps this stems from the idea or the reality that many men don’t want to get married. Marrying someone with a sense they wouldn’t have chosen it themselves, or they only agreed because you asked them but they didn’t really want to, isn’t very appealing to most people.

I suppose that if you want to get married and value marriage and your man has a similar attitude, it’s easier to just have a sensible conversation about it and agree together. But the reality is that these things are not always totally equal. One person reaches the desire to get married sooner than the other in most couples. It’s not always the woman but it often is. There isn’t an easy conversation where you just find yourself having decided together, because it’s a tricky conversation, often multiple times where one isn’t keen on the idea. And after a few times of that, the keener person can really feel that they can’t say anymore and don’t want to push the other person into something they don’t want. So they wait and hope to be asked. Sometimes it’s just a matter of time. Sometimes it’s in vain. But I think this is a reality for lots of women. It isn’t simply a case of having a sensible conversation and both people definitely thinking the same.

OP’s conversation suggests both her and her partner see marriage in the future. Op would like that to be definitively agreed now. Her partner knows that. But he hasn’t yet turned a theoretical conversation into a proposal and active asking. OP could do that herself. Perhaps she worries he would say ‘not yet’ or that he wants to do the asking, or that she wants him to ask.

It is an old societal norm that the man asks. Women can of course do it. But actually I think more still like to be asked. It doesn’t have to be a big event for many (although some do want that)…but simply that the man has made that decision, is prepared to out himself on the line (face possible rejection) and ask. Is that on the way out and will it be gone in another generation or two? I do t feel it will, but perhaps I’m wrong.

He can commit to a mortgage, suppose that suits him though. I think a lot of women know deep down that they form relationships with men where they allow men to hold all the cards because they are glad to have a relationship and don’t have a clear idea of their own worth. Many men just don’t like to be alone, so they are more likely to stay in any relationship to be in one than most women are. There is no stigma to living together and some men who probably know they don’t intend to stick around forever take advantage of that to have all the benefits of having a wife without having the responsibilities of being a husband. I don’t buy this ‘not ready for marriage’ but ready to buy property together. I think the reason many women want a big proposal is that they think it gives them back some of the recognition they haven’t had through the relationship and more than anything else they think it shows other people they are ‘worthy’ of a man marrying them. It’s so disheartening to see that so many younger women are invested in this kind of thinking.

emptythelitterbox · 24/03/2023 03:52

crymeout · 23/03/2023 09:42

@Blossomtoes it's not so much that I want to hear the words 'will you marry me', but I want him to instigate the actual event, whether that be the traditional way, or a more 'shall we book x for October' iyswim Smile

I truly hope he does.

What happens if he doesn't?

WombatChocolate · 24/03/2023 17:35

I feel like OP’s partner will propose, given what she says.

However, it is a good question for many people who are hoping to get married, who are already living together and possibly have children……what happens if he doesn’t and doesn’t want to get married?

Many people face this every year. For some, getting married is hugely important and then there’s a dilemma of do they leave their partner. Some people think this is daft, but often they fail to understand how important marriage is to lots of people. It’s really difficult. No man has to get married if he doesn’t want to, and equally no one has to hang around if their partner isn’t giving them what they want and need.

I think one of the difficulties is that many relationships drift forward into house renting or purchase and having children, without the future desires of each really being pinned down and discussed to make sure they are on the same page. It’s a bit late once you’ve got 2 kids to be saying you might leave because the man won’t get married.

I remmeber one friend who in her late 20s, went on a date with a guy she had met online. They had a great evening. At the end, she said she was going to be honest and said she was interested in jetting someone who wanted to get married and have children. If he wasn’t interested in those things in his future she didn’t want to continue. She made clear she wasn’t saying he had to decide if he wanted to marry her anytime soon, but he had to have that as a life hope or they had no future together. She didn’t want to waste her years with someone who didn’t want what she did. She said he took a deep breath and swallowed, and the said those were things he wanted too. They went out for about a year, moved in together and a year later got married.

I think too many people don’t say what they want. They fear frightening men off. But actually, if you want to get married, anyone who isn’t interested in that as an idea, is best frightened off. It’s no good spending 5 of your best years with someone who doesn’t want the same future as you, to then have to start again in 5 years. The same goes for the conversation about having kids. There was a thread last week where a woman had reached 42 and was now wondering what to do because her husband was still delaying conceiving.

The real problem is when people drift into the next stage and the next stage without ever having said what they want and checking their partner wants the same stuff. Otherwise, you’re always possibly looking at a nasty realisation further down the line, that you don’t want the same thing. And then what do you do if you’ve bought a house and realise he won’t get married ir never wants kids? It’s all quite tricky then. Checking you’re in the same page about life goals is better done sooner. It doesn’t commit anyone to that future with you, but at least you know the future you want is possible with this person. The future as a Mum is never possible with a man who doesn’t ever want kids. Why go further in such a relationship so that getting out to find the right person is more difficult and delayed?

crymeout · 26/03/2023 12:47

Update if anyone cares - to be honest, I'm just excited to tell someone Grin

So, last night I said to him 'I don't know what your thoughts are but I'd really like to get married this year' and he laughed and said 'give me a chance, we're not even a quarter of the year in yet' and said that he has something planned for after we've moved and settled in, but me being me couldn't let it be a huge surprise and had to storm aheadGrin very true, that is very me. We already knew that neither of us wanted a big family affair, we want to go abroad with our kids and do it just between us somewhere nice and warm, so we don't need loads of time to plan it. Anyway, he agreed that we will do it this year, but he wants to do something romantic to get engaged. Definitely won't be going on instagram (I don't have it), there are no pictures of the two of us on fb as we both barely use it and stick to WhatsApp, so he's not doing it for social media and would probably die of embarrassment if I did put it up. But until he asks, I guess I'm engaged to be engaged Grin

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SerafinasGoose · 26/03/2023 13:01

But until he asks, I guess I'm engaged to be engaged.

Glad I don't make my major life decisions as complicated, not to mention as deferential to the male half of the relationship, as this. But hey. Whatever floats your boat.