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Five people missing in south Wales.

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DanteThunderstone · 05/03/2023 21:26

Very strange and worrying situation. Please keep an eye out if you're local. www.southwalesargus.co.uk/news/23364255.three-newport-women-missing-night-city/?ref=twtrec

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Mannymoomin · 06/03/2023 17:03

This is so utterly tragic, my heart goes out to the families of all involved.
I really hope the two injured people pull through and survive, although how incredibly traumatic that they spent so much time injured next to their deceased friends and knowing there was nothing they could do, Just heartbreaking, I hope they get plenty of support.

justasking111 · 06/03/2023 17:07

A roads are pleasant to drive along, verges, hedges, trees, ditches, a haven for flora and fauna.

Unfortunately they can also cover up accidents . It's no-ones fault but a tragic accident. The public came forward to help with the eyes on the ground search perhaps saving two lives. They are to be commended.

SirVixofVixHall · 06/03/2023 17:20

justasking111 · 06/03/2023 17:07

A roads are pleasant to drive along, verges, hedges, trees, ditches, a haven for flora and fauna.

Unfortunately they can also cover up accidents . It's no-ones fault but a tragic accident. The public came forward to help with the eyes on the ground search perhaps saving two lives. They are to be commended.

Absolutely tragic news. I hope the two people found alive pull through.
Someone’s body was found not long ago in a car that had come off a road. She had been missing for several years. I was really shocked by that but I suppose if a car goes into trees then it can be impossible to spot .

justasking111 · 07/03/2023 13:26

Ah it seems they landed on a large roundabout which had been rewilded so is an oasis for wildlife. Again everyone would have been concentrating on the verges for miles each way. It's tragic but no-ones fault unless you wish to berate the council who decided on rewilding which we are all being encouraged to do by the Welsh government. Farmers, councils, folks with a bit of land. My field was declared a SSSI years ago so we don't touch it.

Kerfuffler · 07/03/2023 13:30

justasking111 · 07/03/2023 13:26

Ah it seems they landed on a large roundabout which had been rewilded so is an oasis for wildlife. Again everyone would have been concentrating on the verges for miles each way. It's tragic but no-ones fault unless you wish to berate the council who decided on rewilding which we are all being encouraged to do by the Welsh government. Farmers, councils, folks with a bit of land. My field was declared a SSSI years ago so we don't touch it.

No they didn't - it was off the side of a road near a roundabout.

ProbablyDogNappersHunX · 07/03/2023 13:32

justasking111 · 07/03/2023 13:26

Ah it seems they landed on a large roundabout which had been rewilded so is an oasis for wildlife. Again everyone would have been concentrating on the verges for miles each way. It's tragic but no-ones fault unless you wish to berate the council who decided on rewilding which we are all being encouraged to do by the Welsh government. Farmers, councils, folks with a bit of land. My field was declared a SSSI years ago so we don't touch it.

Rewilding had bugger all to do with this - they were on a verge near a roundabout, not on the roundabout itself.

There was a patch of trees in the very small gap between an A road and an arable field, and those trees obscured them. I don't think you can attribute a few trees in an inauspicious location to council rewilding policies.

More relevant is the fact it's a road that drops quite quickly from 70mph to 30mph, and has a bend in it. They appear to have been going too fast and to have made no attempt at the bend.

Clearly you have an axe to grind with the council about rewilding. This isn't the place to do it.

picklemewalnuts · 07/03/2023 15:52

Some reports are saying that friends and family found the car, not police.
I still don't think it's necessarily the case that someone has 'done something wrong'.
I'd hate to think we cut down all the trees in order to avoid any possibility of cars being missed. Perhaps we could have something along the verge that shows if it's been crossed by a vehicle.

XelaM · 07/03/2023 16:11

picklemewalnuts · 07/03/2023 15:52

Some reports are saying that friends and family found the car, not police.
I still don't think it's necessarily the case that someone has 'done something wrong'.
I'd hate to think we cut down all the trees in order to avoid any possibility of cars being missed. Perhaps we could have something along the verge that shows if it's been crossed by a vehicle.

It's the top article in the DailyMail.

Of course not sure how accurate it is, but Sophie's mum has been giving interviews about how upset she was with the police response. It's completely understandable when she is imagining the horror her daughter had to endure for 48 hours

justasking111 · 07/03/2023 17:34

ProbablyDogNappersHunX · 07/03/2023 13:32

Rewilding had bugger all to do with this - they were on a verge near a roundabout, not on the roundabout itself.

There was a patch of trees in the very small gap between an A road and an arable field, and those trees obscured them. I don't think you can attribute a few trees in an inauspicious location to council rewilding policies.

More relevant is the fact it's a road that drops quite quickly from 70mph to 30mph, and has a bend in it. They appear to have been going too fast and to have made no attempt at the bend.

Clearly you have an axe to grind with the council about rewilding. This isn't the place to do it.

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Calm down I'm pro rewilding. Buy sacks of seeds every year. Plant trees, hedges, etc.

We lost a lady for 48 hours on the road below our village. Through the hedge and into a field. Thankfully she survived inside her car.

piedbeauty · 07/03/2023 21:39

What I find it hard to understand is that people are criticising the police for not finding the car sooner when thousands of people drove past it when it was there, and nobody saw it.

Also, why is no one calling out the driver for crashing when no other cars were involved? Sounds like a clear case of driver error.

Marynotsocontrary · 07/03/2023 23:42

Because it does not do to speak ill of the dead @piedbeauty.

milkyaqua · 08/03/2023 00:33

milkyaqua · 06/03/2023 06:16

They've come off the road and been trapped in the car, injured, dying, or dead, for two days. I'd call that scary.

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By the way, I am on the other side of the world, and found the thought of it scary. The poster who lives 10 minutes down the road perhaps has imagination and ability to empathise with the suffering of other humans, also.

piedbeauty · 08/03/2023 02:56

Marynotsocontrary · 07/03/2023 23:42

Because it does not do to speak ill of the dead @piedbeauty.

But who was driving? If a survivor, then they may face changes. It's the huge elephant in the room.

piedbeauty · 08/03/2023 06:32

*charges

fajitaaaa · 08/03/2023 06:37

piedbeauty · 07/03/2023 21:39

What I find it hard to understand is that people are criticising the police for not finding the car sooner when thousands of people drove past it when it was there, and nobody saw it.

Also, why is no one calling out the driver for crashing when no other cars were involved? Sounds like a clear case of driver error.

Because no one knows what has happened. People are dead and in hospital and the police will investigate.

fajitaaaa · 08/03/2023 06:37

piedbeauty · 08/03/2023 02:56

But who was driving? If a survivor, then they may face changes. It's the huge elephant in the room.

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It's not an elephant.

picklemewalnuts · 08/03/2023 07:06

piedbeauty · 07/03/2023 21:39

What I find it hard to understand is that people are criticising the police for not finding the car sooner when thousands of people drove past it when it was there, and nobody saw it.

Also, why is no one calling out the driver for crashing when no other cars were involved? Sounds like a clear case of driver error.

Because it would be speculating. We all know not to do that.

Any discussion of who drove, what previous offences any of them may have had, would be speculation. The police have the evidence and technology to work out what happened, along with witness accounts.

Accidents like this happen, sadly. What made this newsworthy was the failure to find them.

That will also be explored, I'm sure.

WhiteFire · 08/03/2023 07:41

Cars don't crash by themselves, the majority of collisions will be due to the actions or inactions of the driver. As to what that was in this situation the investigation will show in time.

Namechangedforthisonetoday · 09/03/2023 10:04

I thought it was common knowledge regarding the driver. It has been mentioned by one of the girls parents anyway. It makes me feel sick to think of those poor people trapped in the car, frightened and alone.

XelaM · 09/03/2023 10:37

Namechangedforthisonetoday · 09/03/2023 10:04

I thought it was common knowledge regarding the driver. It has been mentioned by one of the girls parents anyway. It makes me feel sick to think of those poor people trapped in the car, frightened and alone.

Was it the son of the QPR player who was the driver? Or the other guy who is currently in hospital? I don't think I've read who was driving

Pink39tree · 09/03/2023 10:55

XelaM · 09/03/2023 10:37

Was it the son of the QPR player who was the driver? Or the other guy who is currently in hospital? I don't think I've read who was driving

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According the the father of Eve Smith it was the son of the football player not the one that survived that was the driver.

However from the CCTV footage of them doing balloons while driving it shows it the other way around (from what I can see I could be wrong ) so either the CCTV is not clear or they swapped.

The dad was very angry that they did a celebration of life for the driver that the dad feels was to blame for the crash

ProbablyDogNappersHunX · 09/03/2023 11:40

From what I gather the sixth person who was in the car but got out in Llanederyrn was the only sober one amongst them. They crashed not long after dropping off the sober one.

XelaM · 09/03/2023 11:44

@Pink39tree Thank you. I hadn't seen those reports.

@ProbablyDogNappersHunX Was he driving the car initially? He was so incredibly lucky to get out of that car just in time before the crash.

picklemewalnuts · 09/03/2023 13:06

I hadn't seen any of the stuff about who drove, or balloons.

ProbablyDogNappersHunX · 09/03/2023 13:57

XelaM · 09/03/2023 11:44

@Pink39tree Thank you. I hadn't seen those reports.

@ProbablyDogNappersHunX Was he driving the car initially? He was so incredibly lucky to get out of that car just in time before the crash.

I believe the sixth person was driving Newport to Porthcawl to Llanederyrn.

Not so much luck that they got out before it crashed, if they'd driven everyone home there probably wouldn't have been a crash at all, if they were the only sober person in the car and a non-sober person drove the final couple of miles...