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Thread 21 Sunak, Return of the Numpties

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DuncinToffee · 04/02/2023 20:09

And so we continue.

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IClaudine · 07/03/2023 11:00

There will be a lot more of this over the next 12 months

And many more vile threads on this site. I know we should try to ignore them, but god it is hard.

jgw1 · 07/03/2023 11:02

Roussette · 07/03/2023 10:01

Oh god no, please don't tell me someone said that?!

It reminds me of Trump who only wanted immigrants from Sweden and Norway but none of those pesky brown mexicans!

Yes, he actually said the Sweden/Norway bit.. Shock

Yup, and we have had several iterations of the world should get together and share out the number of refugees from people not realising this would mean the UK taking more.

Fladdermus · 07/03/2023 11:09

jgw1 · 07/03/2023 07:29

I needed some entertainment last night. Some of the contortions are quite spectacular. I am a particular fan of the argument that Norway should take far more refugees because its population denstiy is low. I wonder why there aren't lots of people living all over Norway's mountains?

I'm in Sweden and today am feeling somewhat perplexed by the Norway argument. Yes, it's not beyond the whit of man to build housing pretty much anywhere. But why would you build them in a mountain range that's covered with 10ft of snow for 6 months of year, where it's nighttime 24 hours a day for many months, and where it costs eleventy billion quid just to get the cement mixer in to lay the foundations. It's people management for the terminally dumb.

IClaudine · 07/03/2023 11:27

Oh Fladdermus, that properly made me laugh.

IClaudine · 07/03/2023 11:29

BTW should we be a bit careful not to turn this into a TAAT, in case one of the bigots posters from that thread reports us and gets the thread pulled?

Fladdermus · 07/03/2023 11:57

IClaudine · 07/03/2023 11:27

Oh Fladdermus, that properly made me laugh.

Quora, I'm a builder contracted to build an apartment block to house 2,000 refugee families on this site (the flatish area on the top right). Any advice on how to get my 300 ton crane up there?

Thread 21 Sunak, Return of the Numpties
Roussette · 07/03/2023 12:28

DuncinToffee · 07/03/2023 10:35

The government knows this bill will fail just like the previous one but it makes good headlines.

Yes.

And thank you all for explaining the process (Bill/white paper etc).

The trouble is the good headlines ... there are millions out there without enquiring minds who will just thumbs up the Tories, aren't they wonderful doing this to stop those nasty foreigners taking what is ours

pointythings · 07/03/2023 12:38

@Chevyimpala67 base is as base does, in the old-fashioned meaning of the word.

mibbelucieachwell · 07/03/2023 12:42

Suella Cowardman now gaslighting migrants and trying to instil fear of them. It's disgusting.

mibbelucieachwell · 07/03/2023 12:45

If she's genuinely concerned for the safety of people crossing the channel in small boats she could easily direct them safely under the channel through the tunnel.

DuncinToffee · 07/03/2023 12:48

She is worse than Patel, I didn’t think that was possible.

I wonder is she will address the cost of her latest plan. She never did with Rwanda

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mibbelucieachwell · 07/03/2023 12:48

She has explained how expensive it is to house migrants in hotels. So, set up a cheaper system. It shouldn't be beyond the wit of man. I mean hotels are expensive.

DuncinToffee · 07/03/2023 12:49

Are you watching her speech mibbe?

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mibbelucieachwell · 07/03/2023 12:59

No. I'm just reporting on the 'highlights' as broadcast by BBC Radio Scotland.

DuncinToffee · 07/03/2023 13:01

That is easier to stomach and won't damage the tv Smile

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DuncinToffee · 07/03/2023 13:16

Let's not forget that this is Sunak’s plan, vision too.

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mibbelucieachwell · 07/03/2023 13:24

@Roussette tbh I can understand why people living in difficult circumstances in Britain feel hard done by if they see perceive migrants as getting things they themselves would benefit from, eg housing, because they're migrants. I don't know how the social and council housing lists work exactly, but I remember once watching a programme where a woman in Dover, I think, had been on a list for a council house and felt she would never get one because the available houses were given to migrants.

Now, I would argue that someone who currently has no home because they have had to flee for their life or their safety, or because they have no prospect of ever having a reasonable quality of life because their home country is so poor, needs a council house more than the woman in Dover, who does have a home, albeit her circumstances are difficult.

But it makes me aware that people like myself who are fairly comfortably off have less to lose by being compassionate. However the government feeds a sense of grievance and and cultivates a feeling of the leftie middle class disregarding the needs of poor British people, while they work at demonising migrants. They should be demonising governments which mistreat their populations. And emphasising the benefits of having migrants here. And supporting all communities all over Britain to give a home to migrants in a way that works for everyone.

Roussette · 07/03/2023 13:26

I agree. Especially your last para.

countrygirl99 · 07/03/2023 14:24

Someone I know shared a pensioners get diddly squat and illegal migrants get hundreds a week on Facebook this morning. I pointed out that the numbers quoted were about 2/3 of the basic state pension and 4 x the asylum seekers allowance. I also pointed out it took me a minute to check and wondered why the original poster had got it so wrong. I don't suppose it will make any difference but you have to try.

Fladdermus · 07/03/2023 14:45

We're no longer scraping the bottom of the barrel, we're through to the earth's molten core. Soon we'll be being arrested in Australia as illegal immigrants.

Hancock's Whatsapp messages reveal that he threatened to remove funding for disabled children in order to force potential rebel MP to vote through his lockdown restrictions.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/03/06/matt-hancocks-plan-block-funding-disabled-children-mp-opposed/

DuncinToffee · 07/03/2023 14:54

I don't blame people for being worried and/or angry, it's the scapegoating migrants for government failure I have a problem with.

And the bill is not even a bill yet.

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DuncinToffee · 07/03/2023 15:08

Exc: Suella Braverman’s letter to MPs admits the Illegal Migration Bill might break international law.

twitter.com/SophiaSleigh/status/1633112409341583360?t=6iZSOHt_e3k-ONu6xU-kkA&s=19

"This does not mean that the provisions in the bill are incompatible with the Convention rights, only that there is a more [than] 50% chance that they may not be."

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Roussette · 07/03/2023 15:20

This twitter thread has blown my mind

twitter.com/MaxMigliorato/status/1632893804658163799

Basically, it sets out why the boat migrations are such big news (it's wheeled out when the Govt are trying to divert our attention)
It says how easy it would be to sort this because... wait for it... the people smugglers (one interviewed on Sky News) actually live in the UK. We know who they are, we are just not wanting to break up this behaviour because it helps to wheel out the perpetual migrant crisis when needed.
And we have to ask why the numbers have increased hugely since the 2019 GE.
It's useful.
That is why there is no scheme to break up the smuggling trade or reduce crossings.
Pure diversionary tactics.

Roussette · 07/03/2023 15:23

Oh and 30pLee is joining GBeebies (GB News) alongside Jacob Rees Mogg.

DuncinToffee · 07/03/2023 15:24

Depressing isn't it, and so many people are lapping it up Angry

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