Thread 21 Sunak, Return of the Numpties

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And so we continue.

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There are also going to have been a fair few people who knew about it.

There's no way someone as rich as Akshata Murthy didn't take the best professional advice. She's going to have used solicitors and accountants, and be recorded on the systems of those firms. Her applications for non-dom status will have been dealt with by HMRC staff, and recorded on their systems too. With affairs as complex as those, it's not going to have been a one paralegal/bored temp ticking a box situation either. Multiple people will have been involved at every point. If Rishi consulted a US immigration lawyer about the decision to retain his green card, it may have been disclosed to them too.

There are loads of people who would've known and might have decided to spill, even if Murthy and Sunak told literally nobody else, not even their closest friends.

He still hasn't released his own tax returns after saying he would do so by Christmas

It does seem like a failure to see the big picture, doesn't it?

When one of you is looking to be the PM and the other has so much money they could wipe their arse on fifty pound notes for a dozen lifetimes and still not run out, being so cheap is just silly. It was only going to be for a few years, and being an ex PM is very lucrative if you play it right.

Its not Christmas yet.

True.

There is something more than that, that bothers me though. Taxes exist for a reason, to build a better society. Why would you not want to contribute to that if you were by chance well off?

Pesky brexit at it again

Rishi Sunak has failed to persuade French President Emmanuel Macron to take back asylum seekers who cross the Channel
twitter.com/MirrorPolitics/status/1632801783008428035?t=qY5VK_TL9IYEAMM2DfllpA&s=19

But Rishi doesn't actually want France to do anything. Because if France did do something, like pointing out how many more migrants arrive in France than the UK each year, Rishi could not blame France, which is really all he is aiming to do, as it plays to a certain part of the electorate.

Look I could be being foolhardy here, but inspired by looking at the thread about what stops you voting Tory (lol) I think that the next general election is going to be absolutely fascinating.

Part of me wishes I could be neutral about the results though.

Some of the posts on that other from regulars on here are absolutely cracking!

I can’t imagine how anyone could have thought France would take back any asylum seekers that make it to these shores. Whyever should they?

Because asylum seekers are foreign and so are the French.

That other thread is a disgrace.You are brave to keep going jgw. I can't stomach it.

There is one multi handed poster in there who gives me serious creeps.

I needed some entertainment last night. Some of the contortions are quite spectacular. I am a particular fan of the argument that Norway should take far more refugees because its population denstiy is low. I wonder why there aren't lots of people living all over Norway's mountains?

Oh god no, please don't tell me someone said that?!

It reminds me of Trump who only wanted immigrants from Sweden and Norway but none of those pesky brown mexicans!

Yes, he actually said the Sweden/Norway bit..

Can anyone tell me... this new Bill to stop basically any immigrants (unless from Ukraine or Afghanistan), does it have to be voted on? and will it go to the HoL?

This is just red meat vote winner isn't it. It's OK with a new Bill if there is something set up like quicker processing and Immigration centres working efficiently.

I may be wrong, but it is not a Bill yet. Is it even a white paper? It is just hot air from Sunak so far?

No sure about it being a bill or requiring a vote - but its nowhere near going to be done before the next election. It's all pie in the sky.

From the Times -

"The difficulty the prime minister and home secretary have is that the plan they are announcing today relies on a series of things that are outside the government’s control.

Firstly it needs the European Court of Human Rights to accept the government’s argument that Rwanda is a safe third country — a case the government is confident of winning but a process that is likely to be slow.

Secondly it needs British courts — and ultimately ECHR in Strasbourg — to accept the illegal migration bill being published today.

And then it needs the new measures to filter through to asylum seekers themselves.

If they believe that they still have a good chance of not being caught then the boats will still come and the system of detention and removal being put in place by the government could simply be overwhelmed."

The government knows this bill will fail just like the previous one but it makes good headlines.

It's just fodder for certain parts of their base and the headline writers.

It will come to nothing and is just a distraction from failings elsewhere.

There will be a lot more of this over the next 12 months. They can't rely on the Brexit vote any more so they are scrabbling around to dredge up something which gets certain voters blood up.
Half arsed policies that they will never actually be put to the test.

Political theatre of the worst kind.

Expensive political theatre - its not cheap to "push the boundaries" of the ECHR.
But obviously better to pay all those lawyers than invest in the existing processing system and open assessment centres elsewhere.

twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1633044504419631106?t=Zwzvw32hbWrj-VvgSqdr5A&s=19

🔥 Former Home Secretary, Jack Straw, on scorching form. The new Sunak/Braverman refugee law "sounds like stuff written on the back of an envelope without really thinking it through".

When asked why he hasn't had a knighthood: "I haven't got a son who's been prime minister." ~AA

It will appeal to their base sadly