Benefits of Brexit?

[NotAgainFrederick]

Just interested to know what benefits have we had as a result of Brexit?

All these comments about how bad Brexit has been but none of the politicians dare even say we should go back into the single market. As an aside, I think we are a nation of rule followers, whereas other European countries don't follow all the rules coming out of Brussels, allowing them more flexibility!

What do you think would happen in the 'press if Starmer did suggest this? huge amount of very negative coverage and the assurance that the next GE would be a Brexit based one.... "Starmer opens the door to millions of Turks to come to the UK....." type stuff... also SM membership hasn't even been offered to the UK by any significant EU official.

I suspect that should Labour win, they will seek far closer co-op, the trade deal is up for negotiation in 2026... in fact i think the Tories will too.

@Alexandra2001 I totally agree. That is indeed how it would go - ironically if the Tory's now said 'we have to sort out single market and customs union' - there would be a huge economic 'lift' -

With regards to the 'rule following' the poster mentioned - I think part of the problem was that we didn't actually implement certain things that were always an option because as a country we simply 'couldn't be arsed' - when we lived in Denmark it became very clear there were always options with regard to freedom of movement and work etc - it was strongly monitored - as was getting rid of undesirable troublemakers- this wasn't just EU though, it was everyone. We don't have enough police or rule enforcers to keep a handle on stuff - the country in recent years has turned into the Wild West. Listening to my FIL at the weekend (84) - although he won't vote Tory now- it's clear he has drunk the GB news cool aid -

Yes the 'Express would write "Sunak to boost the economy with new Brexit Freedoms deal with EU..."

UK loves its red tape, the more rules the better, used to know a CEO of a UK exporting company, he said (pre brexit) it was easier to send stuff to Lisbon than Luton.

@Alexandra2001 or as I think it might be called'the great British trade alliance'
They are cheeky enough to do that

The person going on about pacific partnership! The vast amount of intercontinental trade is EU based- particularly in food and goods - some stuff simply doesn't travel in terms of markets-

Take Poland for example, they seem to have a no Muslims policy, does that conform with EU policy?

I think at the moment immigration policy remains under the aegis of national governments. The problems arise when the EU wants to distribute asylum seekers across the bloc and countries like Poland and Hungary baulk at it..

My suspicion is that this sort of issue is going to become more heightened in the next decade and maybe the EU and the wider Europe as whole will say enough is enough and act to restrict external migration whilst trying to maintain freedom of movement within the EU.

My DS was in Austria last month and there was lots of talk about this:

In what can be viewed as a fresh blow to the EU’s visa-free Schengen zone, Austria’s Chancellor Karl Nehammer has announced plans to begin restricting free travel into the country from Italy.

https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/news/austria-to-begin-conducting-checks-at-border-with-italy/

If individual countries find it easier to block from Italy than the EU does from outside it eg across the Med then I can’t see how Italy will cope.

Just had a Goggle to see if I could see any further info on it and found it's not just Austria. It says at least 9 other countries have temp border controls. This will get messy in the next couple of years and become a major issue for the EU:

https://www.infomigrants.net/en/post/52585/denmark-extends-temporary-border-controls

But surely, they need to leave the EU, cut themselves off from their trading partners, diverge their standards over time so they can no longer trade with their neighbours and destroy any trust the international community may have on their integrity, to control their borders?

Yes I thought this a while back and now it’s coming into play

I don’t quite get how it squares with FOM criteria though for EU

So countries in the EU can control their borders, who would have thought it.

Free movement - EU nationals
https://ec.europa.eu/social/main.jsp?catId=457

If this continues the whole freedom of movement concept will be in jeopardy which might open the door for the UK to join the single market without committing to freedom of movement.

This seems a reasonable guess

perfect summary

Free movement is not the same as Schengen. EU citizens passing from Italy to Austria still have freedom of movement, they just have to show the document that entitles them to freedom of movement at the border, and then they can stay and work in Austria as long as they want — that’s freedom of movement. There have often been spot checks at borders in the Schengen zone (I saw one for an escaped prisoner) and this would only make Schengen irrelevant if it were all the borders all the time.

And of course, the UK has never been in Schengen even when it was in the EU.

So how can Poland refuse to accept Muslims who have a right to live in other parts of Europe?

Freedom of movement relates to people who hold a passport from an EU country. The right to remain in an EU country as a citizen of a third country isn’t currently transferrable.

@youngones1 it very much depends if they have a passport of an EU country- not just residency.

The following EU members are not part of Schengen:

Bulgaria.
Croatia.
Ireland.
Romania.

There are also 11 members who are tightening border controls due to increasing number of; illegals, arms trafficking, terrorist threats, smuggling, etc.

Austria
Denmark
France
Germany
Italy
Norway
Poland
Slovalia
Slovania
Sweden

Link is

European countries tighten borders | Reuters

Open borders are perfect for terrorists.

I'm a little confused. Is being part of Schengen a Brexit benefit or not?

Open borders are perfect for terrorists

Yet pre FOM we in europe had numerous terror attacks, hijackings etc and the UK despite having border control, cannot stop radio active materials and nerve agent being taken into the country or stop devastating bombings.

Nor has border control stopped 10s of '000s of migrants crossing the channel, there is also border control and the EU external borders, hasn't stopped migration.

Good intel (& acting on it) stops terrorism.

FOM has massively boosted Europes economy and made tourism very quick and easy.

Curiously growing the economy to benefit everyone, not just those who already have more money than anyone needs in a lifetime is the best way of stopping terrorism.